The cover of this week’s Charlie Hebdo leaves me speechless, in a good way. And in tears too. (And yes, it is indeed deeply Islamic in spirit.)
The cover of this week’s Charlie Hebdo leaves me speechless, in a good way. And in tears too. (And yes, it is indeed deeply Islamic in spirit.)
The talk I gave at TEDGlobal twelve days ago just went live!
Here it is — on Muhammad, the relationship between faith and doubt, and the travesty of fundamentalism:
Anything you can do to forward/repost/facebook/tweet/email/tumble/reddit/generally-spread-the-word will be wonderful. Let’s stop being the far-too-silent majority!
Shortcut url is http://on.ted.com/Hazleton
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[In case you missed it, my earlier TEDx talk on reading the Quran is here.]
Arguably the most emotional speech of yours. I am not afraid to admit that some man-tears were shed here (“blood – — – brothers, steeped in other people’s blood”, goosebumps). Brilliant as always. I must admit I always thought of faith as a non-questioning, always believing blindly and following orders kind of attitude. This has brought a new perspective on things; I am thankful to you for that.
I have taken up the task of translating all of your ted speeches into Urdu. Time to wipe the dust off of my dictionaries. Fecundity. . . . . hmmmm.
Those man-tears especially appreciated, Meezan. Am both delighted and grateful that you’ve taken on the task of Urdu translation. Deep thanks. — L. (and feel free to email me if you have any questions re translation)
Dear Lesley
Thank you for your words. You never fail to impress by what you say and how you say it. Like its predecessors, this talk was deeply inspiring and informative. And it made perfect sense.
It totally resonated with me – a Muslim believer. Till sometime back I used to think ‘I know’, then one day I dared to doubt. I started asking questions. From – ‘Is there a God?’ to ‘What is the whole purpose of this life?’
After many sleeplesss nights, I got a few answers, all pointing in one direction. That there is so much to learn and a long way to go. And I would never have started on this journey towards truth had I not doubted.
I’m no longer afraid to doubt. The basis of true belief lies in true doubt.
Saheem
Reminds me of this from Robert Frost’s poem “Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening’: “The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep.”
Thank you so much Lesley for your work, for the inspiration you share. I hope and trust many will watch your video and feel more hope, more peace… or basically just be able to hold the space. We all do our thing. THANK YOU.
Thank you for a wonderful talk. I found that it gelled quite well with an essay I wrote on my own blog and I would like to share it here: http://flippinutahmormons.blogspot.com/2011/09/on-doubt-skepticism-and-faith.html
I was both impressed and enlighted by your TED talk. Which brought me on the idea to translate it in Dutch (I am from the Netherlands), because it would make me understand your well-chosen words better. Also the video on Ted.com could/might be subtitled for Dutch viewers. Would you mind? And if not, do you have a text-version of your talk I could obtain?
Yours sincerely, Jurgen
Hi Jurgen, and thank you! Translations are done through TED’s all-volunteer Open Translation Project (http://www.ted.com/OpenTranslationProject). I know someone is already at work translating this talk into Dutch, but with so many talks coming out all the time, am sure TED would love to have you on board. — L.
(A link to the English transcription of this talk is already online on the video page.)
P.S. I forgot to add what one person wisely said, that faith and doubt are the two sides of the same religious experience.
Thanks Lesley for such a beautiful speech, whenever I am watching your videos there is an experience of new learning…I know everything mentality is an arrogant mentality which closes the doors of new learning experiences in the life.
hi lesley,
after hearing you on Ted, I stand by my verdict in the reply to your previous post, that you deserve to remain in the cloud……
‘doubt’ vis a vis ‘faith’ may be open to a subjective response, but the last part of the talk, as per Muhammad’s reaction to the present day scenario in the Islamic world, and the attitude of his followers is spot on…i have been trying to convince this viewpoint to whoever is ready to talk on this topic in the circle I interact with.
thanks for reafffirming my faith in this context.
nuzhat.
Thank you Nuzhat! “We love you in any state of gravity,” you wrote as I wondered how I was going to get my feet back to earth again, and I broke into a huge smile at that. It’s my privilege to help open up the conversation. — L.
One more thought….for people who took offence to your word on the prophet’s “doubt” at the first instant of revelation…. I would say that this reaction conformed to his inbuilt nature of being humble. He did not take pride in being the chosen one, (and never did all his life),
but in all humility needed reassurance at that point, of having been given that responsibility. Can anyone just accept prophethood one fine day, even when it was thrust upon him and that too without any aspiration for the same?
I could plead with my community on so many issues to be understood in their right spirit, Lesley. People like you and me can scream ourselves hoarse. Thanks for your commitment though.
Nuzhat.
Thanks, Nuzhat, but let’s not go hoarse! Isn’t it the gentleness of doubt that we value, as opposed to the violence of conviction?
True…..wish others could understand the human aspect of the prophet. Reverance would be more natural than ingrained.
At this point I will share a secret…..a few years ago, standing at his tomb in Medina, prayers eluded me for a while, as his entire life story played in my mind. I could only have a silent conversation with him, telling him I wished I could have been present then, to have helped him in whatever way,etc…..that was my way of connection!
Sorry, I think I’m beginning a Tarzan/Jane-Jew! relation with you….
Love it and you….
Nuzhat.
Hi Lesley,
I am a muslim business student from Pakistan and your talk is very impressive. There is a lot that I agree with you on especially on the point that how one can never claim to be all-knowing and righteous. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) always displayed humility and modesty. However, what seems questionable to me is the idea that Prophet Muhammad’s complete life and struggle in Islam was based on doubt. At the time of revelation, it was indeed fear and maybe doubt also that overwhelmed him. But later, with more revelations from God and at the point when he had to take major decisions, reform society, act as advocate of social and economic justice, propagate the message of Islam, he had complete conviction on the existence of God and on the revelations being the truth. There couldnt be any room for doubt or else, he might not even have taken those steps which he actually did. However,I also agree that faith is incomplete without doubt. For the courageous steps that he took, faith and doubt had to go hand in hand. But the doubt that remained with the prophet for his life which made him humble in his ways and for which Quran tells him not to despair was not the the doubt on the existence of the God but was doubt with regards to his own and his follower’s abilities, and if he had done his best in reforming the society, and if he had conveyed the message in rightful way. This was the doubt that made him alive, made him to give his best, be humble, continue his struggle, and ultimately have faith. This is according to my understanding of the religion but Allah knows best. It would be nice to hear your views on it. Thank you.
Yusra Zainab.
I can only speak for my understanding of Muhammad — not as a believer, but as a human being. You’ve expressed the believer’s understanding very well — indeed, beautifully — and I thank you for what I read as a bridge between where I am and where you are. (I love the phrase “Allah knows best,” which comes up repeatedly in the early Islamic sources, because it acknowledges that humans beings often disagree, that there are limits to our knowledge, and that none of us can justifiably claim absolute “right.”)
Yusra…..I suggest you read Muhammad Asad’s views on doubt being integral to ‘enhance’ and reiterate faith, in his interpretation of Sahih Bukhari, section 2, (the book of faith).
He confirms that it (having doubts) held true for the prophet too, from the very word go…… As fellow Muslims we understand the prophetic mission carried out with sincerity and integrity, in its own religious context. As you also pointed out, his doubts were in true humility.
But this talk, actually awakens us to the very Islamic philosophy of ‘exerting’ ourselves to the utmost, by questioning, to enable our spiritual upliftment.
Faith (iman) need never be shaken by right enquiry, nor can it make you a lesser believer. Or else itjtihad would not be permitted to us.
sharing my viewpoint, is the intention here.
Nuzhat.
Thanks Lesley for your views.
Thank you Nuzhat for the reading suggestion. I will InshaaAllah try my best to go through them. I completely understand the importance of doubt in enhancing one’s faith and do not deny to that fact. My own journey to understand and then form belief on the teachings of Islam, Allah Almighty and Prophet Muhammad has been driven by continuous questioning, pondering and going through the scriptures and various articles that I could get hold of. Also, in my opinion, I don’t think one can be called a true believer until one has at least once questioned one’s beliefs, driven into details, tried to find more, and undergone the struggle to find the answers to the important questions. Or else, it would have been too easy to call oneself a believer. But from my experience and understanding, constant questioning often leads one to become more firm on what one holds as his/her beliefs as they (the beliefs) are now tested, and then accepted. It is at this stage when what one believes begins to impact his/her behaviour, actions, and objectives. The prophet too, I believed, reached that stage during his prophet hood and that is when, acting on his firm belief on the existence of God, he reformed the society. We know from the Islamic history about the incidence of Miraaj, and how prophet asked his followers and people to believe on it. How could one preach a message with extreme determination, bearing all atrocities and hard times, when one himself is in doubt about it? Especially, if we observe how specific Islamic teachings are about the basic tenants of belief. Thus, he believed with certainty that which he preached. However, it is not that his struggle was free from all doubts, fear and uncertainties. He often used to be concerned about his Ummah and faced doubts and Allah tells him not to despair. This is when he displays faith on Allah. He also indicated uncertainty over the fulfilment of his duty of conveying the message when Allah in the Quran assures him. Thus, I agree with you that having doubts held true for the prophet too but this wasn’t doubt on the belief of the existence of God or the message of the revelations but rather of a little different nature as elaborated above.
The Quran also takes both the sides. At one point in Quran, Allah asks people to reflect upon and ponder over the Quran. In another Surah, Surah Hujjurat, chapter 49, verse 15, Allah says, ” The believers are only the ones who have believed in Allah and His Messenger and then doubt not but strive with their properties and their lives in the cause of Allah . It is those who are the truthful.”
I will InshaaAllah try to go through the readings you have recommended and it maybe that my views are not right and there may be much more to it. But, I have only shared what my understanding has been till now from what I have read and experienced. May Allah guide us. I completely agree with what Lesley has pointed that there could be different understandings and interpretation from the life of the prophet(peace be upon him) himself. I appreciate her intense research and the talk. It has definitely given me some food for thought.
Yusra — to me it’s not a matter of “being right” or “correct” (or “wrong” or “incorrect”). To me it’s an exploration — an attempt to see things in more depth and complexity, and thus in more richness, which I know you’ll agree is one of the great privileges of thought.
Lesley so well presented, you are wonderful at what you do. Yes indeed, Mohammed is one who is far more relatable than any other Prophet of the past and i feel the main reason for that was his human reaction to Prophethood. The fear, the doubt and the burden of which rested on his shoulders showed on his face, from the time he cried to his wife Khadija “Cover me” to the time he wept as he walked away bloodied from being stoned at Ta’if. We come to see a man who did what he could to change and shape his society, for the better- at least from the perspective of an upcoming and final messenger and the bitter reality of the world around us is still witnessed today to the ever so resentful responses to Mohammed and his prophethood, his test of faith came knowing that he completed his message and died at rest, releasing this burden and sighing in relief to meet his planner.
Peace Lesley, i love what you do. From a fellow author, poet and Muslim/Human, Ramey.
Thank you Ramey. A poet indeed.
Peace be upon us all. — L.
[…] classifying one as either (theist or atheist) is rather childish and we should be committed to doubt by falling on neither side. But in my country, you do not have the luxury to sit on the fence: everything you do, how you live […]
Newly back in Seattle after an amazing couple of weeks, I’m jet-lagged, news-lagged, and above all, TED-lagged.
Eleven days ago, I was onstage at TEDGlobal in Edinburgh. The talk — on Muhammad, doubt, and the travesty of fundamentalism — may be released on TED.com as early as this coming week, but meanwhile, in the tease category, here’s a still shot:
The TED audience was beyond-words wonderful. I still can’t quite believe the generosity of their ovation. But how do you come down from such a high?
I hereby declare a new addition to the DSM-IV manual of psychiatric disorders: post-TED syndrome, which poses the patient with the problem of how to get her feet (let alone her head) firmly back to earth after a week of non-stop talk and ideas and excitement and superb company? (Plus some great music and dancing too).
Seven days ago, I took the back-to-earth idea literally. If you had been in possession of a pair of good binoculars, you would have found me roaming the wilds of Romney Marsh in Sussex, totally wind- and rain-blown, along with thousands of sheep and the most bullish lambs I’ve ever seen — sturdy little bruisers, each with a very distinctive vocal point to make about my presence. (On the menu that evening in nearby Rye: “Romney Marsh lamb.” My response: “Noooooo….!”)
Forward a bit, and four days ago I was doing my roaming in London, meeting my brilliant UK publishers over grappa in a club so private it has no name (British release of The First Muslim is set for November 7), doing tai-chi early mornings by the lavender field in Vauxhall Park (triple espresso at the ready), communing with the Rothkos at the Tate Modern, zipping along the Thames in water taxis, and downing elderberry lemonade and tahini-drizzled eggplant at Ottolenghi’s in Islington (his cookbook Plenty has the best recipe I’ve ever found for socca).
So today, back in my houseboat in pacific Seattle, my head is reeling from it all, and I have a new way of posing the post-TED problem: how do you get your feet back to earth when you live on a raft that floats on forty feet of water?
Another talk from you about Muhammad and more. WONDERFUL. Have just started reading your ‘The First Muslim’. I’m all ears already for the talk. Our planet needs more people like you, Lesley. You’ve been such an inspiration.Thanks!
no……please dont try to come down to eath or wherever….we love you in any state of gravity…..looking fwd to the Ted brilliance while i repeat the one on “reading of Quran” to restrain my excitement of hearing you again….wish Ted India invite you too…
love you more lesley….
nuzhat.
“The earth is my body, my head is in the stars.”
(spoken by Maude in the movie “Harold and Maude”, a wonderful little gem of a film from 1971)
Today I received your talk at TED. I can not find any word to discribe my appreciation about your latest work about prophet Mohammad’s biography. He is my forefather and my role model. I know him very well as if he lived today . Your thoughts about him are absolutely true. He would stand up to terrorist, suicide bombers, wars, discrimination by gender, race, wealth. I am fascinated with your curious mind, turning every stone to find the truth about Him. I will order the book immediately. You deserve every award in the world because your work and your contemplation about the truth is going to help thousands of people. You fullfiled great service to humanity for going after the truth! I salute you. You are also brave women because you stood up on your two feet against liers, mud throwers to prophet Mohammad. We are brothers and sisters as humanbeing and we must live at peace in this earth.
Not floating, but camel-riding, down-to-earth! The real deal.
Posted your talk on Facebook… Sending you Ya Fattahs for PTedS.
love, and a rain of blessings on your good work. T’m
Ah, it was you that sent down all that rain last night! Thank you. I love going to sleep to the sound of rain on the water…
What irony!
“We’ve allowed Judaism to be claimed by violently messianic West Bank settlers…”
It must be habituation that makes the truth so elusive to you. And it’s nothing new. Judaism has actually been hijacked, long ago, by agnostic intellectuals who “believe that they and they alone are right.”
How do you lump the likes of Baruch Goldstein and Yigal Amir, who are widely condemned among all Jews, together with Islamic suicide bombers who are memorialized and celebrated by many millions.
You are among the millions of Jewish liberal extremists who have sought acceptance by being self critical. How pathetic. In demonstrating your intellect, open mindedness and humanism, you persist in supporting the very forces that seek your destruction.
Yawn…
Apparently you didn’t catch what I said about “the Truth”.
Actually, I did. You talk about the arrogance of the extremists who claim a monopoly on the Truth.
Your dismissive tone suggests that you won’t dignify my challenge with an answer. Do you even own a mirror?
… Love the wit.
I also failed to thank you for the faith and doubt resonance thesis. But, agnostic Lesley, if you must subscribe to the Truth at least leave room for the truth of your heritage.
I subscribe to “the Truth”? Since when?
As to the “truth of my heritage,” one of the finest Jews I know of was Spinoza. And he was excommunicated by those who thought they owned “Truth.”
As my shuttle bus roared from downtown Seattle to the airport, i thought let me check ted.com and wisely use the ride time.
The words faith and doubt were carefully chosen by Les and they did the marketing job they were supposed to do and i clicked and she started!
I have to admit – I enjoyed the talk but there were information – based on my humble understanding – which were incorrect or let’s say are prone to wrong interpretation due to linguistic loss of fidelity for the lack of a better term.
Mohamad (pbuh) may have been in doubt about what he saw in the night of revelation but this is different than faith (defined as deeply rooted belief(s)) . That instance could be described as experience and yes many books refer to it as such and agree with what she said about leaping of a cliff, etc…
But the fact the he was in the cave is actually because he had a different faith than those who surrounded him and he used that time to reflect and further his beliefs.
The opposite of doubt is certainty and the opposite of knowledge is ignorance. Fanatism is not the result of certainty but ignorance. Mohamad did not have doubt (that is the wrong word to use) he needed knowledge and that is what that divine revelation came to give him […]
Lack of knowledge is abundant and the more know the more he realizes how humble his knowledge is and thus is willing to accept another opinion and the converse is true.
Wishing guidance to all mankind – a fellow human
But the point is surely that I do not define faith as “deeply rooted belief.” In fact as I see it, real faith defies the certainty of definition…
This posting has generated quite a few responses, some thought-provoking and as usual one or two, well…
Anyway, I took the time to listen several times to your talk Lesley and jotted the following excerpt in my journal:
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“Real faith has no easy answers…it involves an ongoing struggle, a continued questioning of what we think we know, a wrestling with issues and ideas. It goes hand in hand with doubt, a never-ending conversation with it, and sometimes in conscious defiance of it…”
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As a “somewhat agnostic catholic”, I found it very interesting that in 2007 the Vatican was a bit upset that a priest took it upon himself to publish Mother Theresa’s private letters in which she revealed that she had doubts about the existence of God and lamented the absence of a personal sense of Jesus’ love in her life. She wrote that at times when she was in church and prayed, she felt as if there was no one there. Some people thought less of her knowing this, some atheists rejoiced, and the Vatican whimpered.
Your view regarding faith replies perfectly to the conundrum Mother Theresa seemed to face, questioning, struggling, wrestling with issues and in so being, probably made her stronger spiritually and to the rest of us, more human.
Enjoyed your talk, but not sure that either side of this conversation (faith-doubt, certainty-uncertainty, theist-atheist, etc.) gets us closer to empathy — to compassion — to loving one another.
After 6 years of TED Conferences, I know what you mean. A week of high-intensity, non-stop creativity among amazing people, and then the brutal home crash for a few days.
Hope we can chat F2F in Vancouver next year.
Do we have to love one another? Isn’t it enough — more than enough — that we let each other live?
Vancouver would be good. — L.
Indifference, isolation, apathy, neglect. Many would see these as problems.
Totally agreed. But compassion seems to me insufficient — almost passive, in fact, and that passivity is precisely what you’re talking about. I’d advocate a kind of waking up: to social responsibility, to involvement, to the recognition that we’re all in this together, and action on the basis of that recognition.
Hi Lesley,
I started to read your book ” First Muslim” this week. Certainly it is a unique approach that no writer took until now about Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him. There fore your book is filling this very important gap on the biography of Prophet Mohammad ( PBUH). You did put hundred hours of contemplation about his human side. As a person who contemplates a lot I do appreciate your contemplations and sharing them with rest of the world. Lots of hours of searching truth brought this beautiful realistic book about Him. ” there is no other worship more valuable than contemplation” said Prophet Mohammad. And in many verses in Quran Allah urges us to contemplate. Because that is how we can reach the truth by separating truth from falsehood. You are asking questions everything around you just like example of Prophet Abraham given at the Quran. Who ever seeks Allah, Allah guides them to Himself. And who ever finds him fulfills her/ his purpose of life. Who ever doesn’t find him they lose only chance given to her/ him to be among the friends of Allah. Ultimate happiness or true love is felling in love with Allah.
Though the fastest growing religion in the world, Islam is deeply misunderstood by many—including some of its most ardent believers. In her new biography of Muhammad, The First Muslim, award-winning author and former foreign correspondent Lesley Hazleton portrays Islam’s founder as a rebel, a defender of women’s equality, and, above all, a human being. In this Zola Q&A, Hazleton discusses how Muhammad’s world forged his identity and what he might think of the Middle East today.
What inspired you to take on Muhammad as a subject? There’s been so much written about him. Did you think there was still something missing?
Yes: Muhammad himself! You’re right, there’ve been millions of words written about him, but the more of them I plowed through (I read several biographies as background research for my previous book, After the Prophet), the less I had any real sense of the actual man. It was like looking through a telescope the wrong way round: he seemed to be reduced to a two-dimensional cipher by this mass of verbiage. Much of it was devotional, the rest of it kind of cautiously dutiful, and even soporific. How could anyone do that to such a remarkable life? I wanted the vitality of a real life lived. I wanted to see him whole—not as a symbol, but as a multi-dimensional human being.
The book looks closely at the physical world he occupied – the nights on Mount Hira, watering goats in the desert, his feelings of confinement in Mecca as a boy. Did you visit all these places?
I would have, but non-Muslims aren’t allowed in either Mecca or Medina. And besides, there’s hardly anything left of what these cities once were; nearly everything’s been built up and covered over. But I had the advantage of a strong feel for the landscape and culture of the Middle East. I was based in Jerusalem for thirteen years, spent a year with Beduin in the Sinai desert, and have roamed freely around both Egypt and Jordan. And yes, I’ve spent nights alone on top of another sacred mountain not that far from Mecca: Mount Sinai.
You take odds with the conservative Islamic view that Muhammad was destined to be the messenger of God. Do you have any concerns as to how conservative Muslims will react to this book?
True, I don’t see his life as a matter of foreordained destiny, but as an extraordinary human struggle for dignity and social justice. I think it’s clear from the tone of the book that it’s written with respect for its subject. I mean, isn’t that the point of good biography? Respect for the integrity of a full life lived? For the integrity of reality? Of course the way I see things conflicts in places with the conservative Muslim view, which is sometimes more devotional than historical. But I think we’ve agreed to respectfully disagree.
What do you think are the most common misunderstandings about Muhammad that we have in the West?
There’s a ton of them, most of them politically manipulated, but let’s take just two. First, there’s the image of the lecherous polygamist. In fact his marriage to his first wife, Khadija, was a loving monogamous relationship that lasted twenty-four years until her death. Even after he later married nine other women—nearly all of them diplomatic alliances such as any leader made at the time—he openly mourned Khadija until his own death. And it’s striking that while he had four daughters with her, he had no children with any of the late-life wives.
Second, there’s the image of the militant sword-wielding warrior. In fact, Muhammad only took up arms after years of downright Gandhian passive resistance to increasing verbal and physical assault, culminating in a concerted attempt to assassinate him. And when he finally did so, under political pressure, he made it clear that as the Quran says, “forgiveness and mercy are more pleasing in the eyes of God.” Combat was permitted, that is, but to be avoided if at all possible.
The book points out that Muhammad might never have gone on to found Islam if not for the support and understanding of his wife Khadija, and Muhammad himself rejected the tradition that daughters were less valuable than sons. Yet women are often treated as far less than second-class citizens in many Islamic cultures. Why do these attitudes persist?
What happened to Islam after Muhammad’s death is what happened also with early Judaism and early Christianity. All three began as protest movements for social justice, but then fell prey to the seemingly endless human ability to mess things up. That is, they became institutionalized. Their radical roots were covered over with conservative dogma, and an all-male hierarchy imposed their version of “the Truth” (always with a capital T), forcing their cultural prejudices on everyone else. This is now changing rapidly in both Judaism and Christianity, popes and chief rabbis notwithstanding, and I think it is beginning to change in Islam too, ayatollahs and grand muftis notwithstanding.
What do you think Muhammad would make of the Middle East today?
Great question! Let’s start with Mecca itself: I don’t see how he’d be anything but totally dismayed. He’d be the first to point out that the Saudi regime is the modern equivalent of the wealthy elite who ran the city in his own time, profiting off piety and persecuting him for his message. If Muhammad were alive today, he’d probably be the Saudi kingdom’s worst nightmare, much as the real Jesus would be the Vatican’s worst nightmare.
But the Sauds don’t have the monopoly on the repressive use of conservative piety. Islamist fundamentalists claiming to speak in Muhammad’s name are currently fighting for political control in much of the Middle East. If he could speak for himself, then, here’s what I think he’d say:
He’d condemn sectarianism. He’d condemn extremism. He’d condemn suicide bombing and terrorism, and call them obscene. He’d say what the Quran says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion.” And he’d commit himself fully to the hard and thorny process of making peace.
With other words he would be promptly executed by the ruling classes.
Herman.
Bought mine at Kinokuniya, Suria KLCC (RM104.36).
And Ms Hazleton, you are simply an inspiration!
Alas, authors are the last to know. I hope it is, but don’t know for sure, so do let know if you find it. Certainly it should be available after UK publication a few months from now.
Dear Lesley:
I have read several biographies about Muhammad but your comments have left me excited to obtain copy of your book.
Asim Abdullah
Dear Lesley, I have waited in vain for your response to several errors I have pointed out. Apparently your website is only for sel-promotion, and I do not care to associate with anyone with so little integrity, and so I ask you to remove my name from all your lists. Thanks, Don
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Muhammad’s Allah explained by AHMET HULUSİ
Everyone, from the most learned to the most ignorant, has a concept of God. A God that we love, get angry with, judge and even accuse, at times, for doing wrong by us!
We imagine this God, who sits on a star in the heavens or dwells somewhere in space, to be like a benevolent paternal figure or a majestic sultan!
The reality is Allah is not a god (deity) and this god-concept we have all come to embrace, as a result of misleading information and conditioning, is not the Allah expounded by Muhammad (saw).
So what is Muhammad’s Allah..?
Source: http://www.ahmedhulusi.org/en/books/muhammads-allah.html#ixzz2MqsOCid3
A talk of yours from TED brought me here and after reading I wanted to thank you. As a Muslim from the west (now residing in Malaysia) the misconceptions about our prophet are many…most of them being born from Muslims themselves. I am proud to follow a man who rose up against corruption and tyranny. ..promoted peace and dialogue and as you say would be fighting against what Muslims do today…if he were here. I look forward to reading your book.
On page 13 of your book The First Muslim and repeated on page 42 you cite that Abraham’s son Ishmael was to be sacrificed, but it was not Hagar’s son who was to be sacrificed but Sarah’s son Isaac. Except for this error, if it is an error, I am really enjoying your book and I thank you for it.
Larry — different traditions. In Jewish tradition, of course, it’s Isaac. In Islamic tradition, Ishmael. Since I was talking about what people in Mecca believed, I cited Ishmael. Strictly personally, I’d love it if we could think of Isaac and Ishmael as the same person.
Your shamelessly sycophantic hagiography of Mohammed the godfather of centuries of medieval religious violence and oppression of women to this day and your confabulatory whitewash of Islam which blithely ignores most of what is written in the Koran is a tour de force of intellectual dishonesty which places you firmly in the league of that other mistress of Orwellian doublespeak marinated in political correctness -Karen Armstrong.
“Truth always makes you nervous” you say in your introduction. Indeed, that must be why you so deftly skirt it in your writing.
This has come to me as shock from Karen Armstrong who I always thought differently and as a patron of Islam!
Shocking Karen! Afterall, a rebel first from Judaism and Holy Torah and from Islam too which is the only religion outside Christianity to wholly believe in Jesus and all his miracles and the Gospel to him, but not as a deity of worship. There is no deity but GOD. I wish I could tell her more privately on her email if I had that.
Am sure Karen Armstrong would just love to hear from you.
Asim — a rhetorical question, I assume! I let his comment run because it was so obvious it made me laugh. L.
People who do not read the Qur’an usually jump to wrong conclusions about Islam & Muhammad. Congrats Lesley Hazelton! You have done well. May Allah be pleased with you. Ameen.
Lesley , Thanks for your book .I watched your interview with well-read and talks on YouTube and they encouraged me to read your book knowing that I might agree with some of your outsider insights or might disagree with it all . I have read many biographies about the prophet but yours were different . I still disagree with some of your interpretations , but at the end I respect your empathy and your dedication to scour for the truth behind the real man . All the best and I am planning to read your book about the Sunnis Shias split .
Thanks Khaled — I think disagreement with respect is far more productive than unthinking agreement (in fact I fail to see the respect in that). Hope ‘After the Prophet’ lives up to your expectations, both agreeing and disagreeing! — Lesley.
Dear Lesley, You write: “He’d condemn sectarianism. He’d condemn extremism. He’d condemn suicide bombing and terrorism, and call them obscene.” You are projecting onto Muhammad your own idealized notions and beliefs. It was Muhammad who introduced an us vs. them sectarianism into his community by condemning the gods of his fellow Arabs. The only sectarianism he was not prepared to tolerate were schisms within his own community, an objective common to any leader whose power rests on the unity of the foot-soldiers he commands. Through Allah Muhammad condemned a whole laundry list of people whom he derided as idolaters, polytheists and most of all unbelievers who rejected his prophet-hood. Many of these were themselves worshipers of the pre-Muhammadan Allah and their only crime was to reject the prophet-hood of Muhammad. They did so precisely because they recognized in Muhammad a dangerous extremist whose teaching would stamp out all other beliefs. And they were right. A rich and fecund Arabian religious landscape, teeming with diverse religions and spiritual traditions, was homogenized into a one-religion desert that it continues to remain to this very day. It is a fact that upon being rejected by Jews Muhammad’s response was to turn them into targets of ruthless violence, that too, astoundingly in the name of the god to whose worship they clung until they were either executed or exiled. Is this sort of mass violence not the fundamental characteristic of an extremist? As for suicide bombing and terrorism Muhammad himself encouraged his followers to die and kill for him while he mostly kept himself behind the front-lines. How is this any different from modern day suicide bombers? Where is there room left for any moderation once you have established your willingness to slaughter in the name of your god and religion? If that is the case then great “prophets”, the Muhammads of our own times, such as David Koresh and Jim Jones have to be feted as moderates as well. There have been other religious figures that have taken to violent means to protect and defend themselves against oppressive political powers. Consider the Sikh gurus for example. They fought the brutality of their pious Islamic rulers but never did anything comparable to what Muhammad did, which was to send out diktats to all and sundry to submit to his god, failing which he would invade them. This is megalomania and not religious piety. Please remove the blinders and look at the obvious reality staring you in the face. Also it is not tenable to excuse the violence and blood-letting at the hands of Muhammad by placing it in the context of his environment. For example, Jesus’ message of “love thy enemy” was had already entered the Meccan community with one of Muhammad’s own close relatives even translating the gospels. The ruthlessness displayed by Muhammad’s Allah rests squarely on the shoulders of the man and cannot be blamed on his times.
“Do not think I have come bring peace on earth. I have not come to bring peace, but the sword.”
A prophetic voice, indeed. And whose was it? Not Muhammad’s, but that of Jesus (the verse cited is Matthew 10:34).
I’d suggest reading both the Hebrew bible and the New Testament very carefully before singling out Muhammad and Islam for condemnation, since the Bible is one of the most blood-soaked and bloodthirsty books ever written. (Of course you might also want to read the whole of the Quran, as well as my actual book instead of a short QandA on it). Then you might ask yourself why you have singled out Islam. If you are opposed to all religions on such grounds, that’s one thing; if you are opposed only to Islam, that is quite another.
Lesley Hazelton is so right. Please read the Qur’an, if you really care to learn the truth at all.
Thank you for responding Lesley. It is wonderful to be able to converse directly with an author rather than just post reviews of books and such. My previous comment was not directed at your book but specifically at your claim that Muhammad would somehow be opposed to modern day Islamic extremism and terrorism. If you are saying that the quote from Jesus is worthy of condemnation then I will not disagree with you. Still, the very next sentence following the quote should make it clear that “sword” was used in a symbolic sense as a metaphor for division, separation and opposition between father and man, mother and daughter etc. etc. But please ask yourself if even a mere violent quote from Jesus is worthy of condemnation how much more we should condemn a man who authorized mass murder, used god to repeatedly stereotype, demonize and dehumanize entire groups of people who chose to exercise their independence and reject his authority over them. These are exact parallels to modern-day charismatic “prophets” who use their exclusive access to god as an an absolute control-mechanism over followers to abuse them and to violate others through them.
When you attempt to typecast as a liberal a man who has a track record of denouncing and brutalizing others who do not submit to his religion then are you not yourself complicit in the same crime as Muhammad, the crime of dehumanizing or even demonizing his victims so that their pain, their suffering, their agony is somehow justified or at least not as bad as what Muhammad and his followers or you yourself would go through in their place? If killing and attacking peoples and nations because they do not recognize your anointment by god is not extremism then nothing is. […]
First, please note that there is a 250-word limit on comments here on the AT — clearly stated upfront — which is why I’ve edited out all but the first two paras of this one, which essentially was a repeat of your previous one, though with the addition of the charge of intellectual dishonesty on my part. Clearly we’re going to get nowhere with charges and counter-charges. Equally clearly, on the issue of violence, you have not compared the Quran to the Bible. Nor have you actually read ‘The First Muslim.’ So again, I’d urge you do both before commenting again on the quality of my intellectual integrity (under 250 words, please!).
I haven’t bought your book, but your blog post is factually incorrect. the Prophet Muhammad had a son with Meryem the Copt – he died as a baby.
Hatice — whether he fathered this infant or not (and yes, I did indeed discuss this in the book), he was not married to Maryam.
I don’t believe in omens, though I confess I’m sometimes tempted to.
Like when I realized just three weeks ago that The First Muslim was being published on the day on which Muhammad’s birthday falls this year.* I wish I could say that this was the result of careful planning on my part, or on that of my publishers. In fact it’s either a wonderful coincidence, or…
You see what I mean about omens?
That was just about the time the first finished copy of the book arrived in the mail. Since it came straight from the printers, I didn’t recognize the return address, so wasn’t sure what was in the padded envelope until I opened it.
And went “Oh my God!”
I think I might have mentioned somewhere that the cover was elegantly understated. Perhaps even a tad overly under-stated. I do remember suggesting to the publishers that they increase the color values just a little – a slightly more saturated yellow as in the photo in the right-hand column, for instance. “We’ll see what we can do,” my editor said.
She didn’t get back to me on that, and I hadn’t expected her to. So I had no idea that the yellow had been transformed into gold! Thus the “oh my God,” repeated several more times as I traced the raised pattern of it with my fingers.
This had to be a special author’s copy, I thought. It’s been many years since publishers commemorated a book’s publication by ordering up such a one-off copy for the author (usually leather-bound, with gold leaf on the edges). It was a token of appreciation, and a lovely one, but they’d stopped doing it because of the expense. Now Penguin’s Riverhead Books imprint had clearly resuscitated the practice.
I called my editor immediately to thank her for ordering such a beautiful author’s copy, and then came the best surprise of all:
“Oh no,” she said, “this isn’t just for you. All the books are like that.”
So I’m still kind of amazed at the physical existence of my own book. Is this stunning production really the same creature as the innumerable drafts of much-scrawled-on typescript pages strewn around my study for years? It’s as though with publication it’s achieved a separate existence. Like a teenager leaving home, it will now make its way in the world on its own terms, an independent agent only tangentially related to me. All I can do is wish it well, cheer it on, defend it when it needs defense — and trust that others will agree that it lives up to the sheer elegance of its cover.
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[*Re Muhammad’s birthday: the traditional Islamic date is the 12th of the month of Rabi al-Awwal, which falls this year on January 24. The Christian date changes each year since the Islamic calendar is lunar, which means that the Islamic year is eleven days shorter than the Christian one. To further complicate matters, the 12th of Rabi al-Awwal is the Sunni date; Shia celebrate the birthday, known as mawlid, five days later. And one more complication: not all Sunnis approve of the idea of celebrating the birthday. Observance of it is banned in ultra-conservative Saudi Arabia, for instance, whose dour Wahhabi version of Islam seems ever suspicious of joy and festivity.]
The book looks beautiful, Lesley – and I think these are GOOD omens!
Lesley- I couldnt wait to read this so I cheated and ordered in on Kindle…the gold looks unbelievably good! I cant wait to get my hands on the book itself!!!! Thank you!
Many congratulations, and i want to say about omens that you are a very lucky person that you write the biography of my beloved Prophet and it gets published on the date of Prophet’s birthday i want to congratulate you for this again and from deep of my hearts, I’m no authority yet as a believer I think your books got praise from heavens. I want to buy the first copy.
I love this story, and revel in your awe of your publication! Congratulations. Can’t wait to get my copy.
Leslie,
Thank you for sharing the exquisite beauty of your new book.
I saw the photo and read your comments including the significance of the Publication Date. To me, this was a good omen to purchase “The First Muslim” immediately, which I just did along with “After The Prophet”.
How exciting to be alive in these times that such writing is available to enlighten the general public!
Advance Kudos for all your effort to birth this book!
Sandra
Hi Lesley,
I had realised this coincidence a few weeks ago when I first saw your blog and saw the date of release as 24th. I thought you had timed it that way on purpose, but even if you haven’t I think this’accident’ is just one of the many signs of Allah endorsing your work and the amazing effort you put into all your books. I have just finished reading ‘After the Prophet’ for the second time and enjoyed it even more than the first. Can’t wait to get my hands on this one.
CONGRATULATIONS! Lesley, on the birth of this ‘baby’. The radiant ‘gold’ has the magical quality to it, peering from behind the green with such blazing energy and power. The first look sent shivers down my spine out of sheer excitement. It definitely looks much better than the yellow colour previously chosen. You must be so proud of your creation. May you enjoy the many-fold rewards each day as long as you live. May the success of this project give you the thrust to create more masterpieces.
Waiting impatiently to get this book in my hands!
Leslie,
This post brought tears to my eyes. I could ‘feel’ with you, on this issue. My people already know of me as a ‘Leslie addict’. I know I will I have to wait longer than the others to hold my own copy, until it reaches my destination in India. But having read the excerpts online, my enthusiasm is already whetted.
About omens…..it’s a feel good factor actually, but for such a momentous event everything is acceptable.
More luck to you,
Nuzhat.
I loved this post. It’s so encouraging to me that authors — some of them, anyway — are still touched and amazed that something they created becomes its own thing, takes on its own life. That even after publishing so many books, the joy and amazement are there, and at least this author is not trying to play it cool by submerging the expression of it all.
“It’s as though with publication it’s achieved a separate existence.” Because it HAS, don’t you see?
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My dear Lesley.
I pray and hope that you will never be tired with my comments. In the first instance, Muhammad the last messenger never envisaged you to say something about him that is not correct. You are on your own to know and discern the truth and say it on his behalf. The other who believe in him will support you and give you any honor you want. No one knows the exact date of Muhammad except that his birth was related to the event in which the elephants of the Ethiopian king was destroyed. Muhammad never celebrated his birthday and no one among his family or his companions ever did that. I doubt if it was a custom of the Quraysh to celebrate birth days. This is one of the confusions in his followers[…]
Lesley, I’ve just started reading on my Kindle. Wonderful! Congratulations. I love my Kindle, but your blog makes me covetous of a hardcover…. I’m so glad they gave you a delicious cover.
Dear Lesley
Just got yr new book after reading AFTER THE PROPHET which I really loved and thought so well written! Yes, great cov for the new book for which I immediately placed the dj in a Bro-dart Mylar cov as I did with AFTER… dj which book I obtained in the STRAND bookstore here in NYC, second-hand but new. I got the NEW book at Union Square B&N ’cause I wished a new fresh copy and not a reviewer’s copy at the STRAND. Hope you’ll be presenting/reading in NYC some time soon. Great scholarship and great read! Thanks for all your effort!
sincerely,
Brian McI
I just reading my copy of your book now and here’s another omen. I started reading “The First Muslim” while I was in the middle of reading Thomas Moore’s “Dark Nights of the Soul. When I came across the term “dark night of the soul” in your book to describe Muhammad’s experience, I almost had goosebumps. It was as though your book was conversing with the other book to explain to me what a “dark night” is – a very rich learning experience with both books that is for sure!
Do you have a speaking schedule/tour for 2013? I would love to see you speak if you’re ever in the area!
Lovely synchronicity, Salama! Thanks for sharing.
Speaking schedule is still in formation, but I’ll post dates and locations as they firm up, if not here than at http://www.TheFirstMuslim.com, as well as on Facebook and Twitter. Where are you located?
Excellent, I’ll keep checking the website. I’m in Cleveland, Ohio!
Hi Lesley,
I became a great fan of yours since I heard you in TED lecture on ‘quran’ few years ago. Then I loved you so much I watched all of your youtube videos I could find and finally this week I saw your TED lecture on Muhammad, and I was convinced to buy your latest book the “First Muslim”.
But I am now reading your “After the Prophet book”. I lost my respect for you, because you wrote about Umm Al-Mu’menin Hazrat Ayesha RA :
“Al-Mubra’a, the Exonerated, Sunnis still call her, but
some Shia would use a different title for her, one that by no
coincidence rhymes with her name: Al-Fahisha, the Whore.”
I am very disappointed. Unless you disclose the source of this passage and prove that it’s not your attribution, you simply quoted a Shia materials, I’ll start blogging against you.
Regards
Nur
Check the end notes. The note for this says “This usage is discussed in Spelling, Politics, Gender, and the Islamic Past, and noted in Fischer, Iran: from religious dispute to revolution.” Both books are, of course, included in the Bibliography.
I waited for the book to arrive because I was sure of it being a good read from the Ted talk I had heard which was the reason I bought it in the first place.
I am still reading it for the last 3 weeks, slowly imbibing it’s message and marveling the language.
I can feel the considered sensitivity, the carefully chosen language and the experience of a psychological training in almost every phrase.
Objective analysis of decisions as taken by Mohammad SAWW is almost pure. Yet it is only human to diverge from it at times and sometimes I feel the bias has been allowed. For example in the detailed explanation of what is a munafiq and then to explicitly mention the paralytic situation at Hudabiya leaves room for the author to maybe take a deeper longer look at the concept in revision of it.
It has opened many avenues for those who read to think about some of the situations, Muslim or otherwise alike.
On the whole I have enjoyed the text,material,explanations, and the sensitive effort by the author.
Thank you for writing this.
Thanks for the kind words, Sobia — and for the generous acknowledgment that even where we differ in how we see things, we do so in good faith. — L.
If only all books were this well read! This is author and poet Tamam Kahn‘s galley copy. (Galleys are softbound uncorrected proofs, sent out for early review before the hardcover has gone to the printers — thus the banner across the top saying it’s not for distribution.) And I love this photo because it’s such a vivid expression of the act of reading.
Yes, the act of reading: nothing passive about it, but an engaged interaction of reader, writer, and subject. (I read with a similar intensity, though I prefer a pencil to tabs, marking the margins with lines, exclamation marks, and perhaps a brief Yes! or an abrupt No!, but sometimes getting carried away with extended comments crawling up the side of the page to spread out along the top.)
Tamam posted the photo alongside her review of The First Muslim today. Here’s how it begins:
There is much that is wonderful about this book! I opened the manila envelope, slid the book out, opened it and began reading. Two hours later I was calling to my husband across the room, saying, “Listen to this…”
This is what it meant to be an orphan: the ordinary childhood freedom of being without a care would never be his… At age six, he (Muhammad) was now doubly orphaned, his sole inheritance a radical insecurity as to his place in the world.
Accurate instinct on the basics. In all the years that I studied Muhammad’s life, I never gave much thought to him as an orphan. This fact is often mentioned by historians, but none make us feel the alien landscape in which the boy finds himself in the way this telling does. A certain wariness crept into the corners of his eyes and his smile became tentative and cautious; even decades later, hailed as the hero of his people, he’d rarely be seen to laugh.
Then Lesley Hazleton takes the reader deeper. At age five, he is returned to his estranged blood mother Amina; abruptly, a child between two worlds. In that same year, after the two of them visit relatives in Medina, several days journey north, she dies on the return trip. …now doubly orphaned.
The whole review is over at Tamam’s blog, Complete Word. She ends it with this:
This humanizing of the man, Muhammad, is the thread running through the book. Often, in the media, what is written about Muhammad or the word “Muslim” is overlaid with dramatic and political innuendos to support a variety of loud viewpoints.
Here, it’s like she begins by talking to us in a quiet tone on that noisy street. Come inside where it is calm, and listen to Lesley Hazleton tell about a man who became The First Muslim. It’s a good story.
Very well thought out & Very TrueZS{ref: the act of reading}
Hi Lesley,
I just checked Amazon UK – It seems to suggest that the book is not going to be available on the Kindle. Do you happen to know what the deal is in terms of digital distribution. I have been looking forward to this book for months, but reaaallly would prefer to read a digital copy…. Kindle…even iBooks.
Good luck with the launch,
Abid
Thanks for good wishes, Abid. Don’t know what’s happening with amazon.co.uk (thbbft!), but it’s definitely available for Kindle pre-order at amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/First-Muslim-Story-Muhammad/dp/1594487286/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1357681198&sr=1-1&keywords=the+first+muslim+the+story+of+muhammad
Sadly, still can’t pre-order the book from iTunes Malaysia.
Anyway, wishing you every possible success on the launch.
Thbbft! So sorry about that. Distribution seems to be an infuriatingly mysterious process.
what a great review, you and she both deserve hugs
hi lesley! I am so eager to read this book , when will this book come to india?? please talk to your publishers and let me know!
Shah — A timely question! I just forwarded this India Times piece to them — http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Western-scholars-take-on-Islam-drawing-Muslim-youth/articleshow/18490788.cms It’d be great if Indian publishers responded. Meanwhile, UK rights have been sold, with publication date later this year. — L.
There was a terrific story to be told here: the journey from neglected orphan to acclaimed leader—from marginalized outsider to the ultimate insider—made all the more dramatic by the tension between idealism and pragmatism, faith, and politics. I wanted to be able to see Muhammad as a complex, multidimensional human being, instead of the two-dimensional figure created by reverence on the one hand and prejudice on the other. I wanted the vibrancy and vitality of a real life lived.
But of course I was also impelled by a certain dismay at how little most of us in the West know about Muhammad, especially when Islam is so often in the headlines and there are so many competing claims to “the truth about Islam.” This one man radically changed his world—indeed he’s still changing ours—so it seemed to me vitally important that we be able to get beyond stereotypes and see who he really was.
What are some of the biggest misconceptions about Muhammad?
Let’s take just the two most obvious stereotypes: the lecherous polygamist, and the sword-wielding warmonger. In fact Muhammad’s first marriage, to Khadija, was a loving, monogamous relationship that lasted 24 years, until her death. The nine late-life marriages were mainly diplomatic ones—means of sealing alliances, as was standard for any leader at the time. And it’s striking that while he had five children with Khadija—four daughters and a son who died in infancy—he had none with any of the late-life wives.
As for the warmonger image, Muhammad maintained a downright Gandhian stance of passive, nonviolent resistance to both verbal and physical assaults for 12 years, until he was driven into exile from his home in Mecca. The psychology of exile thus played a large role in the armed conflict over the subsequent eight years, until Mecca finally accepted his leadership in a negotiated surrender, with strong emphasis on avoiding bloodshed.
Is there anything you had to leave out?
I know there’s a tendency to elide certain issues of Muhammad’s life, not least among them the rapid deterioration of his relations with the Jews of Medina, which was especially hard for me, as a Jew, to write about. But to evade such issues seems to me to demonstrate a certain lack of respect for your subject. A biographer’s task is surely to create as full a portrait as possible. If you truly respect your subject, you need to do him justice by according him the integrity of reality.
What alternative title would you give the book?
Perhaps “Seeing Muhammad Whole.” Or “A Man in Full.” But since Muhammad is told three times in the Qur’an to call himself the first Muslim, I knew early on that this would be the title.
Did you have a specific audience in mind?
It kind of hurts to think of intelligent, open-minded readers as a specific audience…
Are you hoping to just inform readers? Give them pleasure? Piss them off?
Far more than inform! The pleasure for me lies in the “aha!” of understanding, of grasping the richness of reality, with all its uncertainties and dilemmas. It’s in the practice of empathy—not sympathy, but empathy, which is the good-faith attempt to understand someone else’s experience. Those who nurture images of Muhammad as the epitome of either all evil or all good may well be disconcerted, but then that’s the point: empathy trumps stereotype any time.
What’s the most important take-home message for readers?
The First Muslim isn’t a “message” book. If anything, since I’m agnostic, you might call it an agnostic biography. But I think many readers may be surprised at Muhammad’s deep commitment to social justice, his radical protest against greed and corruption, and his impassioned engagement with the idea of unity, both human and divine—major factors that help explain the appeal of Islam.
How do you feel about the cover?
I loved it the minute I saw it. Riverhead brilliantly avoided all the usual obvious images—domes, minarets, crescent moons, camels, and so on—and opted instead for the understated elegance of this classic “knot” tile design.
Is there a book out there you wish you’d written?
On Muhammad? No, and that’s exactly why I wrote The First Muslim. The book I wish someone else had written didn’t exist—one that brought psychological and political context to the historical and religious record, and one I actually wanted to read instead of feeling that I should.
What’s your next book?
I’m thinking it’s time to explore exactly what I mean by being an agnostic, and how this informs my ongoing fascination with the vast and volatile arena in which religion and politics intersect.
Hi Lesley.
Well, this interesting and important historical event, the banishment of the Levi clan of the children of Israel from Madina has been sidelined by the Jewish Rabbis and most historians. The world is hiding shamelessly this important historical event. I have given a brief account in my book available in website, sbpra.com//allamadrsanisalihmustapha. It was only the Levi clan that could be with Muhammad for they were needed to establish his Shari’a. When that was achieved their function seized and they had to leave Madina. Note that there is no compulsion in Islam that is obedience to Allah in following Muhammad. I hope you will the difference for your ancestors in Egypt were compelled to follow Moses to prepare them for the Shari’a.
Please Lesley, do not forget your base! Compare the life of Muhammad with that of Moses.
When Makka was conquered Abu Sufyan lamented saying, ‘A speck’ has conquered the world.
Sani — This is not exactly how the earliest Islamic histories (ibn-Ishaq and al-Tabari) record matters. Further, I would have thought it clear that I consider my “base” to be the intelligent open-minded reader, of whatever faith or non-faith. But really, may I suggest — not only to you, but to anyone else tempted to comment prematurely — actually reading ‘The First Muslim’ before commenting on it?!
Hi Lesley!
I bought books through Amazon, but are yet to arrive. I prepare to buy your book direct from bookshops.
The point is I have read about many books written by those who do not understand Revelation and the G-d of Abraham. They make mistakes like your assertion and understanding that Muhammad is the First Muslim. He is not certainly and cannot be. It is not allowed in the teaching of Muhammad to start an argument or say something that is not said by Him. He never described himself as First Muslim and no Sahaba ever described him as such.
My dear Lesley from the beloved children of Israel, there is more than enough for you and those writing on Muhammad to understand the G-d of Abraham and believe in him from the Torah. You do not need the Qur’an to believe in the G-d of Abraham. I read the Torah a lot and find no difference in what is in the Qur’an.
If you want to write on Muhammad, please write that he observed the 3 prayer times in Makka – morning, afternoon and evening as observed and prayed by the Jews, when he migrated he wanted to use the horn on calling people to prayers. He established the law of foreigners and made Madina like the six safe towns in the Torah. Tell us about Huayyy ibn Akhtab the leader of Banu Nadir (I think) who confessed that Muhammad indeed is that messenger mentioned in the Torah. I read both the books of at-Tabari and ibn Ishaq, but you may misunderstood them for reasons unknown. They wrote on a section of his history but not on his Sunna.
As I pointed out on http://www.TheFirstMuslim.com (and in the book itself, of course), the title comes from the Quran, which tells Muhammad three times (6:14, 6:163, and 39:12) Say, I am the first Muslim. While I know certain Islamic traditions have it that Abraham was the first Muslim (and others, Adam), the Quran nonetheless refers to Abraham as the first hanif, or monotheist. I went with the source. Again, I recommend reading first, commenting after.
Hi
Unfortunately this is what is happening in the modern times…..Commenting without reading the actual book. I was surprised to see the good Pastor who wanted to burn the Quran, come on TV and say that in fact he had not read the Quran at all
it’s real sad
Accidental Theologist fans! I’m releasing a review of The First Muslim Monday Jan 5 on http://www.completeword.wordpress.com
Check it out! What a great read. Tamam Kahn
Dear Leslie,
Looking forward to reading the book… I wish I had the time to do the translation into Turkish but I am sure someone will do that.
It is a delicate topic this interaction of religion and politics. My home country is having its share on it for decades now. It may be more about power and religion but politics is seen as a means to power so it makes sense either way.
After I started following your blog, I did try to find out what you mean by an “agnostic Jew” and did some reading on it. It is important for me because names, concepts are important; they not only provide clues to the others about you, but also shape the way you perceive yourself.. And if your perception hardly fits any category, you try to alter or change them. Not always an easy job… Anyway, I just want to say that I am very happy that you will write about this concept.
Happy 2013!
Thank you for getting the idea. Not easy, true, but then it wouldn’t be interesting of it was!
As an agnostic Muslim I really enjoyed your TEDx talk, however, I regretfully agree with Sani about your interpretation of the 3 verses you quote from the Quran re 1st Muslim. I give to you the translation by M. Asad, an Austrian Jew convert to Islam who took great pains to be etymologically and semantically correct in his translation. It is considered by many scholars as one of the best. Definitely my favourite. ‘first’ and ‘foremost’ are not synonomous, would you agree?
Asad: Say: “Am I to take for my master anyone but God, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, when it is He who gives nourishment and Himself needs none?” Say: “I am bidden to be foremost among those who surrender themselves unto God, and not to be” among those who ascribe divinity to aught beside Him.” Q 6:14
Asad in whose divinity none has a share: for thus have I been bidden-and I shall [always] be foremost among those who surrender themselves unto Him.” Q 6:163
Asad and I am bidden to be foremost among those who surrender themselves unto God.” Q 39:12
Hi Riz. Indeed Muhammad encouraged nothing other than telling the truth abiding sticking and practicing it. I love the Jews because they were portrayed in the Qur’an as a national exposing the truth and never hiding it. Thus why many of them accept Islam that is their simplified version of the written and oral law. But Hesley is trying to forget her sound base.
Lesley
I want to apologize for my earlier comment. In way of apology I would like to offer my explanation. First off, I feel like a bloody fool! I stumbled on your book whilst trolling the web and without any research on you, your background and your rather singular achievements I proceeded to send you my take on the what I realized later, was the title of your book. That in itself was rather rude and insensitive of me. Please accept my heartfelt apology. I subsequently found out more about you and just simply loved your Quran TEDx talk. I view the Quran in much the same way but could never in my life, have expressed it is so eloquently and charmingly. I don’t know why Sani has decided to interject himself into this with yet another badgering remark on you and your going back to your ‘base’. This is something I do not want to be associated with, as it is I’m feeling very sheepish. Looking forward to reading your books. Salaam Alaikum!
Thank you, Riz — both for the apology (which takes courage) and for checking out the context (which takes time). Alaikum assalaam! — L.
Assalamu alaika Riz.
Brother Riz, we have problem of education and giving the G-d of Abraham his Right. We have only one BOOK the Torah and no one can do without it. Muhammad never rejected it. My understanding is, it is part of the Qur’an and I do not discriminate between them. The Sunna of Muhammad that is his actions is a different field.
I respect the Jews because of their history that shapes my belief and determination to obey the one chosen by Allah. I like Lesley because she was a Jew loved by Muhammad but despised for unknown cause by some of his followers. My interaction with some Jews in Europe make me belief that an understanding Jew as Lesley described herself cannot be a ‘Christian’ but can only be one to follow the actions of Muhammad.
The translation of Muhammad Asad was coined from the Tafsir of Imam Shawkani and az-Zamakhshari. That is why it is standard. There are many forms of Tafsir.
I am not against Lesley, but only telling her that I have spent 52 years reading the Torah and I have not find anything there in the Qur’an contradicting what Muhammad mentioned of it. 90% of the Muslim customs are Jewish. Read the way they bury their deceased. Any difference?
I am calling on the Jews to understand those calling for their salvation and freedom. True followers of Muhammad were never their enemies and will never be. The ball is in their hand now.
Sani, please — This is NOT the place for da’wa. The verse to bear in mind is “to you your religion, to me mine.” Just as I respect your islam, I ask that you respect my agnosticism, and accept the fact that I have no interest in being “saved.”
Sorry Lesley! Please forgive me my misunderstanding you right from the word go! Then you should never have written on Muhammad for to write on Muhammad is to call for da’wa. By the way, is you book not a book of da’wa since da’wa means calling or addressing people? This indeed paradox how you know Muhammad but denying the existence of the G-d of Abraham. You cannot separate Muhammad from the G-d of Abraham. Muhammad is mentioned whenever the G-d of Abraham is mentioned.
Sigh… No, Sani, not da’wa. Not preaching. Not an act of devotion. Not at all. Read the book first, then comment.
Have I said this before?
Hello Lezley,
How can I get your book in India ?
Regards,
Farrukh Kidwai
Thanks for asking, but alas, I don’t know. Publication for now (that is, as of Jan 24) is in the US and Canada, though the book is also available at amazon.co.uk. I wish I had a magic wand that let it be easily available everywhere, but as is, authors have little control — in fact none — so have it to leave it to the ingenuity of readers!
Dear Lesley, It was hard to find someplace on your blogsite where I could write to you! I just wanted to say that it’s true that your title, The First Muslim, in indeed incorrect, but not for the reason others have given. It’s incorrect because Muhammad himself was highly dubious about his revelation, and it was his wife Khadijah who first believed and convinced her husband to believe. Therefore, by any reasonable standard she should be known as the first Muslim, not Muhammad.
I will read your book anyway, since I am very interested in the founders of great religions (I’m a professor of comparative religion) and I have not found the previous biographies compelling.
Thanks Donald. You’ll find that Chapter 6 of the book describes that extraordinary marriage, and Chapter 7 ends with her role as the first person to hear the revelations from Muhammad. I agree re previous biographies — which is why I wrote this one.
Dear Lesley,
As a Muslim I had mostly read and learned detail of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) after the proclamation of prophet hood and felt innate need to know the events that actually shaped or lead to his development. I am very fond of reading your books and how you try to separate b/w what is divine and indeed what is more to be associated with the human or its psychological need but I fail to understand and somewhat sad to learn that you are still an agnostic? May ALLAH uncover the truth that beholds you from true understanding. Anyways well done on your write-up and thorough research, gripping narrative had me engulfed in such a state that I kept on reading page after page till it wasn’t finished. Thank you
Thank you, Talha, but really, no need to be sad on my behalf. I truly value my agnostic perch!
Hello Lesley,
Going by your analogy to name your book, “As I pointed out on http://www.TheFirstMuslim.com (and in the book itself, of course), the title comes from the Quran, which tells Muhammad three times (6:14, 6:163, and 39:12) ”
I’m curious to know why did you not take into account 7:143
“When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: “O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee.” Allah said: “By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me.” When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: “Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe.”
According to this verse , even Moses says, ‘He is first to believe.’
Thank you.
Check the Arabic: “awwal al-muuminin” versus “awwal-al-muslimin”
Hi Lesley,
I’ve enjoyed reading your book, especially when presenting the human element of the Prophet. Most moving for me was how you described the first revelation on Hira’; the Prophet’s feelings of awe & terror (I know some have objected to this term, but think I see what you’re trying to convey with it). I totally agree that if a person was to experience some sort of connection with God, he/she will have similar feelings. That to me is what Muslim prayer is all about; prostrating before God in full submission & pleading for guidance.
I’ve also read “After the Prophet”, a great read as well. I think both your books give an outside view of Muslim history, one from which many Muslims could benefit. Reverence of the Prophet’s companions and/or family is misguided in my opinion; we should put aside the differences ‘they’ had, and focus on unity, the one thing which Islam is all about.
Thank you, Ali — I do indeed believe that an ‘outside eye’ can provide a fresh and even refreshing way of seeing.
Hi Lesley
sorry my english is not perfect.
I hope you will understand my demand.
I fisrt want to congratulate you about your works, i just read your
book “The first muslim” and i really enjoy it.
I also would like to share it with some people i knew, but their
learning of english is low.
I would ask you please, if your editor provide a french translation of
this book or orher works you’ve alreaddy done.
I thank you for your answer and wish you the best.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Thank you, Hakim. No French translation, alas. But an audio English version may be in the works. — L.
Just released: the video of the talk I gave at TEDxRainier on November 10, 2012.
[youtube=http://youtu.be/9aC7bUTBKv0]
I can’t judge how effective the talk is (a few of the slides were dropped in the video-editing process, including a shot of Newsweek‘s infamous ‘Muslim Rage’ cover). But as with my previous talk on reading the Quran, I do think I’m getting at something that needs to be said in today’s politically manipulated climate of suspicion and distrust.
If you agree, it’d be great if you’d help by forwarding this to all who will be, might be, or simply should be interested. You can use the buttons below to email, tweet, or post to Facebook. Or just copy and paste this page’s url or the YouTube one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aC7bUTBKv0. Thank you!
And again, most definitely, I’d love to hear your comments, every which way they trend!
This makes sense. Very wisely said. Really appreciate the work you’re doing. But I wonder how one can really comprehend the man without comprehending his essence i.e. his faith in the Creator?
But maybe that’s the whole point. One who doesn’t understand the inner can yet respect the outer self.
I think you have a good ‘handle’ on the situation, and speaking as a Christian I am with you. More power to your elbow!
Love that voice and delivery. Well done, Lesley, I find your work truly inspiring.
Thank-you Ms. Hazleton, your presentation is wonderfully reasoned and timely. I am not a Muslim, but in the greater scheme of thing I am one who heartens to the beautiful story and exemplary, magnificent life of Muhammad. Where a billion and a half people place their faith, we must all strive to reach understanding. Thank-you so much for your reasoned appeal for cross-cultural understanding.
fabulous talk. Every word hitting the mark. Thank you so much
Well spoken you’ve come a long way since your time in Jerusalem. One of the things bothering me here in Jerusalem is the extremism which one sees in East Jerusalem and the occupied areas when politics are combined with religion compared to Israel itself where things are much quieter. I, as an anthropologist lived with the Arabs for yrs in a suburb of Jerusalem, today it would be impossible for a non-Arab to live there as things once run by the elders/headmen are now run by the ‘Shabab’ the man in the street. The avg age of the man in the street is at times a teenager, and it can become violent.
The last one minute of your speech gave me Goosebumps. Good faith indeed. Just got my hands on “The First Muslim”. I am going to read it as soon as I finish this Carl Sagan book.
Just wanted to ask, what now? What are you working on next?
You got your hands on ‘The First Muslim’? I haven’t even seen a hard copy of it yet! What’s next? I’ll know by the summer…
An autobiography perhaps? I would surly buy that. Would love to know how you got to the place where you are right now, making sense out of blurry history, turning religious superheroes (and villains) into mere humans without making them look bad or offending anyone. And most of all how did you get to be such an eloquent speaker.
Well, not an autobiography, but I am thinking about going back to the first person singular…
Sorry, false alarm about “The First Muslim”. Guess I’ll be waiting for the 24th Jan.
So important to get this viewpoint out there. “How can so many of us know so little about him?” You are changing that.
May your TED talks reach FAR and WIDE! T’m
congratulations, Lesley, seems you gave a great speech.
but for some reason i can;t get into the video, but will keep trying
Maybe try directly on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aC7bUTBKv0
thanks, Lesley, found you on YouTube..
you are surely a defender of what is right, whichever faith it might be
One of my favourite stories of Muhammad is when the woman used to throw dirt over him everymorning and then on the morning she didn;t, he went to enquire after her….wonderful
excellent speech from a fellow human to another, putting aside religion.
Thanks Ms. Hazleton, I liked your speech. I became your fan since I heard your Ted lecture on Quran. Then I searched youtube for all of your talks. Just now I placed the order for the ‘First Muslim’ from Book Depository in UK. I was waiting for this book to be published because you mentioned about it in one of your lectures.
But one thing, as per Islamic belief, Muhammad was not the “first muslim”, but Adam, the first human, was. According to prophetic saying, every human is born as a muslim, because he/she is born as a pure soul (with Fitrat Al Allah), it is his/her mum/dad or his/her society who make him/her otherwise.
It’ll be a few weeks yet until the video of the TEDxRainier talk I gave last Saturday goes online (multiple cameras — fortunately I was unaware of them — involve post-production work). But here, by way of a teaser/preview, are three stills just sent me by the organizers. They’re in chronological sequence, and they do seem to capture the spirit of the talk:
They certainly capture the spirit of Lesley! Congratulations on being a TED speaker!
Wicked, wylde, wonderful woman! You go! I’m eager to hear the TED talk, of course; but this entire site and your current books are as powerful as the talk can possibly be. Grateful, indeed, to have had the pleasure of a writing workshop with you Centrum, PT, summer 2008.
Exactly how I would imagine you to look Lesley. The spirited expression, beauty to match the brains, and ooh the headscarf!!
Wish I could hear you in person. Waiting for the video……
The first Ted talk already had me hooked to you forever.
Love and luck,
Nuzhat.
the headscarf suits you…..can;t wait for the talk
by the way hasn;t the scarf been around for thousands of years i.e.
Italians/Russian/Medieval/ad infinitum…and the Queen loves her headscarf…..nuns/Mother Mary..
Good point: The headscarf I used in the talk is known as a ‘shayla’, a word of Persian origin which then gave rise to the English word ‘shawl.’
Great pre-publication review of The First Muslim in the current issue of Publishers Weekly (alas it’s subscriber-only, so I can’t link to it):
Despite Islam’s position at the forefront of the American consciousness, the general public knows little of its founder and prophet beyond platitudes and condemnations. Hazleton (After the Prophet) attempts to rectify this imbalance with her vivid and engaging narrative of Muhammad’s life. The author portrays her subject as an unlikely and unsuspecting vehicle for the divine, “painfully aware that too many nights in solitary meditation might have driven him over the edge.” Sympathetic but not hagiographic, her work draws liberally from a long tradition of Islamic biographical literature about the prophet; the nuanced portrait that emerges is less that of an infallible saint than of a loving family man, a devoted leader of his people, an introspective and philosophical thinker who reluctantly accepted the burden of conveying the word of God, and a calculating political strategist. Hazleton writes not as a historian but as a cultural interpreter, reconstructing Muhammad’s identity and personality from the spiritual revolution that he sparked and the stories that his followers passed down. While the speculation is sometimes off-putting (as when Muhammad’s final illness is confidently diagnosed as bacterial meningitis), the result is a fluid and captivating introduction that will be invaluable for those seeking a greater understanding of Islam’s message and its messenger.
I love the idea of being less a historian than a cultural interpreter. If I don’t quite see the problem with the bacterial meningitis issue, no matter. Roll on January 24.
Congratulations!
I pre-ordered mine months ago – I grow even more excited in anticipation! “Cultural Interpreter” is something I’d put on a business card!
Have you any plans for a tour in conjunction with the publication?
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It is wrong and unacceptable by the trend in the Torah to describe Muhammad Rasulullah as the First Muslim. This description implies denying the Torah, an issue Muhammad Rasulullah came to explain and disapprove. Indeed he was the last of the prophets and the leader (an Imam) of the messengers. The closest causes of Muhammad’s death was not bacterial meningitis, but rather cerebral bleeding. His convulsions and high temperature closely resembles pontine bleeding.
The book available in website:sbpra.com//allamadrsanisalihmustapha is worth musing. It is the only literature if read carefully that will balance the influence of al-Qaeeda and Taliban.
I went with the Quran, which tells Muhammad three times (6:14, 6:163, 39:12) “Say: I am the first Muslim.”
Sorry Hazleton. That is not the intended meaning! The meaning is what I gave you. Understand that Muhammad is mentioned in Madinan verses only. No reason given, But the reason is that he was depicted in the position of Moses for Moses was the one who saved the then polite and beloved by G-d the Children of Israel. Therefore, Allah G-d of Abraham is saying: O Levis, Here is Muhammad for whom you migrated to Madina. Are you going to deny him? Remember the favors I did to you under Moses. Moses gave them the law after the exodus and not while in Egypt. Muhammad has escaped the tyrants in Makka and therefore should be given the Law. Please look for your friends to neutralize Taliban and al-Qaeeda.
6:14
Islam means total submission to the will of Allah In this sense all creatures in the heavens and on the earth, willingly or unwillingly, have submitted to His will, accepted Islam, according to verse 83 of Ali Irnran; and in verse 93 of Maryam the word abdiyat also refers to total submission of all creatures to the beneficent Lord of the worlds.
The Holy Prophet was the first abid (worshipper of Allah) among all His creation, therefore it is wrong to say that he was the first convert, which implies that before that he was not a Muslim. “If Allah had a son, I would be the first to worship”, in Zukhruf : 81, proves the fact that the Holy Prophet was the first worshipper of Allah among all His creation.
Like I’ve said before, AJ, I went with the source: 6:14, 6:163, and 39:12 of the Quran, where Muhammad is told “Say, I am the first Muslim.”
Again you are free to read the Qur’an. But the correct interpretation is what Muhammad said and not what you or anyone conjectures. Please take our explanation and interpretation. We are like the Jewish rabbis who listen to their sages and say ‘no’ when they do not know. Please remember and go back to your past..
Lesley theres no complain what you understood of the verse but then say “thats what I understood” do not say “thats what the verse says”.
The same Quran says the very first man(Adam) submit…so he could be first Muslim…then this is Abrahimic religion…so Ibrahim could be first Muslim.
You disregard the gist of Quran and try to understand “First Muslim” through a secluded verse…though literal in meanings BUT Quran has a temperament and its parables and illustrations ought to be understood in the spirit of whole Book regardless you are Muslim or Non Muslim.
39:12
This verse was revealed when the pagans of Makka asked the Holy Prophet as to why he was preaching a new religion opposed to idolatry and making his followers suffer persecution and miseries.
A verse starting with “Qul” always has a context and a reference.
There are many addressee of Quran but kuffar and wrong doers were never addressed directly…they were addressed through Prophet by “Say”.
Not in the order of conversion of the Makkans, but the Holy Prophet was the first Muslim in the order of whole creation, mentioned in Ali Imran: 184.
Plus I think it should be clear that ‘The First Muslim’ is not theology, but narrative history. The way I tell the story and think of it is obviously very different from the way you tell it and think of it. You speak as a believing Muslim, I speak as a non-Muslim, writing with respect but not reverence. I respect your point of view even if I do not accept it; perhaps you could do the same with mine.
Sorry my dear Lesley. Muhammad does not recognize you as a non-muslim. You are a muslim as far as he is concerned. Whatever be your faith, you are bound to report and quote Muhammad and not to say something contrary to what is revealed to him. There is no compulsion in Islam. Lesley, do you reject the diagnosis and prescription of your doctor?
My dear Lesley.
Please do not be tired. I am just reading a Tafsir. Qur’an 2:131 is an address to our Patriach Ibrahim. Where was Muhammad then? Secondly when Adam was cast down to earth, Gabriel came to him (in India) and made a call to the prayer. In it is the name of Muhammad. He asked Gabriel who is that Muhammad. Gabriel replied: He is the last prophet among your children.
Please my dear Lesley, forget about what the followers of Muhammad are telling you. They are misdirecting you (West) and misleading you distorting the teaching of Muhammad. They will then turn and accuse you of that. Please when reading the Qur’an for each verse make reference with 10 commentaries. The beast thing is not to read the Qur’an but to read the life history of Muhammad. Please regard me as your sincere adviser for I have great respect for the Jews although you are now a Christian.
The correct interpretation in all these instances is “Say: I am the first Muslim (among you)”. The “among you” is the key since the clear understanding is that all Prophets and their true followers were in the state of submission to the One Lord, hence Muslim by definition.
Huzzah! Another child is born and we look forward to sharing the joys and kinks of its story unfolding. Can’t imagine what the bacterial meningitis issue might be with the reviewer above unless the dis-ease makes him vincible and human and infectible by bugs.
I don’t know anything about the actual symptoms of his illness nor the historical or medical basis of making a diagnosis after fifteen centuries. But come on, a poisoning or some other exotic death is more appropriate to a religious leader as compared to a mundane meningitis which can afflict any Tom, Dick and his grandfather.
Sorry Sohail. The history ruled out all that you are saying. Yes, Muhammad was attempted to be poisoned but was told by Gabriel. The woman confessed that she did attempt to poison him to prove his claim that he is indeed sent by Allah. I do not think that an Israelite prophet was ever poisoned.
Dear Hazleton, congratulations for a great book on the messenger of peace, I m your regular follower and like your postings.
I would like to say about ‘First Muslim’, of course Quran mentioned the prophet first musilm but it must be taken on the context of the prophet, like I am the first among you(audience of the prophet) who submitted his well to Allah!…it should be taken as among the people of mecca at the time of prophet.
I think the first muslim on the earth is Aadam and all messengers like Ibrahim, issac, jacob, moses, jesus peace be upon all of him were mentioned as musilm in Quran.
All prophets are equal on the status.
Thanks
Mohammad Irfan
Dear M Irfan
Muslim is derived from root word “Silm” means acceptance and submisson, the first Man who submits could be Adam but Ms Hazelton is talking about Muslim, a term used in Quran and thats specific with follower of Mohammad(saw) because none of the previous Muslims were following perfected Deen as per Quran.
And you are also wrong to say all prophets are equal in status, Quran says some are superior to others in status.
AJ — I’ve been thinking recently that a better English word than ‘submission’ might be ‘surrender’ — as in surrendering oneself to beauty, or to joy. i.e. an opening of heart and soul. As you say, a willing (and willed) acceptance. What do you think?
Lesley….I could be wrong but I think “surrender” is used with circumstances and aspects like you said to “Beauty”
Surrender commonly used for forced submission.
In Arabic word is “Tasleem” which is integral of same derivative “silm” and predominant meanings of Tasleem is acceptance then submission.
IMO Submit is more comprehensive and absolute.
AJ — It’s that absoluteness that goes against my agnostic soul. ‘Acceptance’ much better than ‘submission’ to my mind, since submission seems to have an even stronger connotation of force, implying that it’s against one’s will. ‘Surrender’? I surrender myself to the moment, say. I surrender control. But yes, it does also have that military implication. I think I used the phrase “willed and willing acceptance” in the book. Will keep puzzling at it.
My dear Lesley.
The Muslims have fallen into the trap of understanding the Message sent to Muhammad through its Latinized and Greek translations. Islam means one who submits in obedience to the Command of the G-d of Abraham. You cannot truncate submission from obedience and command. That is the organic whole of the meaning of Islam.
Lesley, you know better than any one of us the strictness of the G-d of Abraham on what He commands.
On the contrary, Sani, I can, and I do, and I will continue to do so. I have never been any good at taking commands, and do not intend to start now!
My dear Lesley.
It is now apparent that you are making your own interpretation of the Qur’an that has nothing to do with what Muhammad your assumed first Muslim taught, explained and demonstrated. This is a form of extremism accepted by Western civilization.
A first! I’ve never been accused of extremism before.
But the misinterpretation of the Qur’an is responsible for extremism among the followers of Muhammad. They cannot be accused of that and you escape that. If the West want arrest extremism, the influence of Al-Qaeda and Taliban then the actual and accepted translation of the Qur’an must be accepted by the west and to challenge those of his followers distorting it. That is a better weapon in winning extremism. I am not accusing you in your person, but your knowledge. The West translates Jihad to mean a follower of Muhammad fighting and killing a follower of a prophet before Muhammad, while it means to strive hard to achieve a goal according to the command of the G-d of Abraham. […]
Sani, you seem to be entirely unacquainted with my work. May I suggest reading through this blog, and then reading http://www.TheFirstMuslim.com, before you comment again? You might even try reading ‘The First Muslim’ and ‘After the Prophet.’
The second I read the “not as a historian but as a cultural interpreter” bit, I thought — spot on. That’s Lesley’s gift.
Accusing Lesley of extremism itself is worst kind of extremism.
Lesley I understand your difficulty with absoluteness but religion is all about God and an imperfect God is beyond possibilities.
An imperfect being could be anything but God.
have a good day,
I just popped up your book, so happy, began searching bout it. I remember did listen your tedspeak, i admired n impressed your workin on qoran (never understood why they so laughing in ted about) but unfortunately forgot your cuz not to took note on you. Nevermind, i found u again and going to read carefully.
There are some conversation bout the being ‘first’.
the mentioned sentences,sorahs,saying that ‘you are the first who practice our words to your people’ . So not just say and wait another to practice our words. You must be the leader, first doer, live by our words. Not be as hodjas or teachers . (they say in eastern societies ‘do what the teacher say do not what the teacher do’ and that is dissingenious)
In islam or qoran, all the prophets have the same message but live in different times n places. So all the prophets got the islamic spirit or understanding. Matter of facts, all the humanbeing are capable of being understand that logic, being truely human BUT you can see if you look at Satan, knowing is not enough to do the right things. Satan knows the Allah, that is the main point. The important thing is ‘Will’. you ough to want to be a good person at the beginning and end of the day.
So qoran is the last book, mohammed is the last prophet. Allah Says everything via his lots of prophets before but evil didnt stop maybe wont stop, they use the words their advantages, killed the messenger etc.
i just wanted to add these comments, thanks for your works.
Lesley…when you submit you do not surrender control on the contrary you gain control.
Submission to Al-Mighty is lot different from all other submissions…you submit to One you become indifferent to all.
We must understand founding philosophy of Islam and all the Abrahimic religions…We are property of God and we returned unto Him this world is testing abode and its stay is temporary.
Had there be no Judgment Day, God would be guilty of all these inequalities and suffering in this world.
Those who thinks theres no God but they have to agree all these prophets whom they think are genius, had well protected the Justice of God.
Theres no good but justice and theres no crime but injustice.
I would rather follow a genius than idiot….in this world scientifically we are not sure of hereafter but then why take a chance about something we don’t know.
AJ — I’ll start thinking of you as Pascal! (Pascal’s wager: no loss if you’re wrong, big gain if you’re right. Trouble is, I can never figure out if he wrote it tongue-in-cheek or seriously).
Lesley…neither its tongue in cheek nor its serious.
I tried to get in the shoes of materialist.
Either things are concluded materially or spiritually…in case former is true then materialist gaining everything…if later is true then materialist should not be in loss….its all a business of gain n loss and who could be better business wo-man than materialist.
yea! ur right…and almighty allah says in the quran the sole purpose of our creation is to worship him!!…so y not give ourselves to the one who has created us and enjoy the eteral bliss he has promised us.
lesley i just hope u dont remain agnostic all ur life!! u need to accept the truth someday hopefully before ur time has come 🙂
ps: sorry for my bad english.
Shah — I appreciate your motivation, but you know, respect goes both ways. As the Quran says, to you your religion, to me mine. I remain firmly agnostic, with no expectation of eternal anything.
I listened to your short Tedx talks which intrigued me to your openness and neutrality and that is exactly the kind of openness and neutrality that I expected when I read your book The First Muslim.
The fact is the book is full of large volumes of bias. You make it very clear that this book was written by a Agnostic Jew. Agnostic is clear from your avoidance of all miracles or extraordinary happenings that happened to the Prophet, you question and dwell on the story of Bahira – how come he was named Bahira since he lived in the desert etc. and not about what is the story actually about?.
Your Jewish bias is very clear
– in the story of the Banu Quynaynah, largely accepted fact is that the muslim girl (which curiously becomes a beduin girl) was insulted; then you question how could she be wearing the veil? Rather than acknowledge that perhaps the younsters were indeed insulting her.
-You also try to prove that the punishment on Bani Qurayza was because they were Jewish and not because they broke the alliance. If the criteria for punishment was that then Bani Quynaynah/Nadir/Khaybar would not have been spared.
You are very terse in aspects where the Prophet showed incredible Mercy such as the episode of Khaybar and on the return journey from Khaybar also the conquest of Mecca where the expectation was there would be no mercy. Rather you dwell on Qurayza over and over again.
The reviewer is absolutely right you are not providing history or care about providing a neutral view, you are just interpreting things from your own understanding and bias. I expected better from you!
Interesting — re miracles, the Quran makes it very clear that no miracles are necessary.
I gather I have not written the book you would have written, and that what particularly irks you is the analysis of what happened with the Jewish tribes of Medina. How exactly this translates into “Jewish bias” is not clear to me. Especially since I nowhere argued that what happened to the Qurayza was “because they were Jewish.” — L.
Well, no one is asking to embellish on miracles. Just state the fact and move on, there is no need to explain miracles and pull a la Reza Aslan (in his book). People are smart enough to make their own judgements (after all we do witness the tevalangelists power of healing and toasts with image of Jesus).
In my opinion, you have not written a book you would have written. Your style in part 1 is very matter of fact and by the last part you are freely making assumptions and drawing conclusions about everything and anything (bacterial meningitis – really?)
The bias is very clear to anyone reading the last parts carefully, your emphasis on certain events and supression of others is very obvious.
I dont much relish the biography of the Prophet written by Karen Armstrong or you for that matter since both are wrapped in their own agenda (whatever that is for you).
Activated yesterday:
the website for The First Muslim.
And how can I resist posting this elegant cover…?
My IT guru and I will be refining it over the next few months, adding more content and some cool bits and bobbles.
Meanwhile, would love your reactions/suggestions/comments.
The cover is beautiful! When will this book be available for pre-order on Amazon? Thanks.
It’s already available for pre-order. Just click on PRE-ORDER on the left-hand side of the home page at http://www.TheFirstMuslim.com.
Very much looking forward to this, Lesley, and will be happy to promote via my various sites. Gorgeous cover. xo (Sue)
The cover is nice. Some green color which is traditionally associated with Islam. And the star type motif, very pretty and at first sight appears to be a combination of the Muslim 5 pointed and Jewish 6 pointed stars. I am glad you did not put any Arabic words on it. It has my vote.
Glad you like it. It’s a traditional Islamic knot or ‘girih’ design, and intensely mathematical.
Congatulations, I am so much looking forward to reading this book. The cover is beautiful!
Captures the essence of Islamic representation very well. Also, think the title is genius! Thank goodness you were working on this book, just couldn’t be more timely.
Thank you Lesly for writing this book. I can hardly wait to start reading, what I believe will be, one of the most objective and interesting stories about messenger Mohamed.
Tried to pre-order from iTunes Malaysia. Sadly not available.
So sorry — I have no idea why iTunes should be country-specific. Thbbft! Will ask my publishers. — L.
After reading ‘the last prophet, an epic story..’ i am eagerly waiting for the new book “first muslim’
Nouman Ali Khan of the Bayyinah Institute makes a calm, reasoned, Quran-based argument against violent protest of that noxious little anti-Islam video. It’s encouraging to see that so many people have tuned in to him:
[youtube=http://youtu.be/I6zuKbBlmRo]
Here’s another good one …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzpIcdd75dA
Canadian Jewish academic, Henry Makow PhD, who as a young Zionist spent a few years at illegal Jewish settlement in occupied Palestine – says that the murder of US ambassador was an Israeli false flag operation to push America into war with Iran.
“The US ambassador to Libya murdered earlier today was a martyr to Zionist attempts to draw the US into war with Iran.
I’m sure there are many such conspiracy theories. I give them no credit.
Your response is no surprise to me. In Canada, anti-Israel is officially considered ‘anti-Semitism’. However, Makow is 101% Jewish and as a youth lived in one of the illegal Jewish settlements.
Once again, the extremists have fed each other. Once again, with other people’s blood.
The blood is that of one of the best friends the new Libya could have had: US Ambassador Christopher Stevens, killed yesterday, the evening of 9/11, along with three of his staff as they tried to evacuate employees of the American consulate in Benghazi. The evacuation was necessary because protestors had been whipped into violence by a 14-minute farce of a video attacking the prophet Muhammad. Or, as now seems possible, the protest was used as an excuse for a planned attack, since RPGs and automatic weapons were involved.
Al-Qaeda-type extremists are apparently the ones who pulled the trigger, using the insult to Islam as an excuse. But they could not have done so without the help of their partners — their Jewish and Christian brothers-in-arms right here in the United States. That’s who provided the ammunition, in the form of a shoddily crude and absurdly amateurish “movie trailer” portraying Muhammad as a fraud and his early supporters as a bunch of goons.
I’m deliberately not linking to the video here since I refuse to link to such tripe. This isn’t an insult to Islam; it’s an insult to human intelligence. If you feel sufficiently masochistic, you can find it on YouTube by typing in the title, ‘Muslim Innocence’ (the director’s idea of irony).
You’ll see that it’s made by ignorant fanatics for ignorant fanatics. Nobody else would pay it the blindest bit of attention. In fact nobody else did (even the director, an Israeli-American who goes by the name of Sam Bacile, which may or may not be a pseudonym, admits that the whole movie has been shown only once, to a nearly empty movie theater in California). Nobody else, that is, until Florida’s tinpot Quran-burning pastor Terry Jones — the one who once hanged President Obama in effigy and will apparently do anything to get himself back in the news — decided to showcase the trailer as part of his annual 9/11 Islamophobic rant.
I’ll write more about this very soon (I’m just back from a trip, and jet-lagged). But for now, two things:
1. Rest in peace, Christopher Stevens.
2. As for Terry Jones and the man calling himself Sam Bacile: if such a thing as hell exists, may you both rot in it, alongside your blood brothers in Al Qaeda.
I think it was a Libyan politician who said that the film was like crying fire in a movie theater; you’re free to say it, but once said you may have to pay the consequences. Too bad the wrong people always seem to pay the consequences for these type of people’s actions.
Another sad facet to the whole thing is how 9/11 rouses so many bigots, and how this sort of thing seems to convince more people to become bigots because they won’t see Terry Jones & Sam Bacile as being complicit. Although I’m sure they’re the same people who really complained about the flag and Christ being immersed in urine…
Thanks Lesley, for speaking up once again like so many other times when many of us just cringe and feel upset at such things. There are no words to describe the actions and methods some people choose to show their dislike for someone or something. They must be feeling defeated that’s why they have to keep coming with new ways to show their anger and frustration.
What I don’t understand about the people who react so violently to such provocations and filth if they really ‘KNOW’ the man they think they are defending by their actions. The man ‘Prophet Muhammad’ suffered so much insult and abuse at the hands of ignorant and misguided people in his own lifetime, but never reacted this way. As a matter of fact, just the opposite. He was most forgiving and used such actions as teachable moments.
What do we learn from his ‘sunnah’? We will be hurting him more by killing innocent people in his name. I beg all those muslims who respond to hate with more hate to go back to the teachings of Prophet Muhammed and follow his practice. As Allah calls him the ‘ ‘blazing, bright sun’ in the Quran, so what happens when we trying to spit at the sun? I will come back on our face. We should wait for that moment. It will come back on ‘their face’.
Thanks
Always sensible, always well-informed, and isn’t it always not-that-complicated really – thank you, as always. xo
I absolutely agree with you and Jones makes me embarrassed to live in the same state as he does. He is a terrorist and should be arrested and tried as such.
Obviously I detest the man as much as you. He’s a dangerous big-mouthed loose-cannon bigot, but terrorists are defined by their actions, not their speech. He feeds terrorism, but he does not commit it, nor directly urge people to commit it, and thus, however abhorrent the idea may be, he is not legally liable. If that seems wrong, then answer this: do you really want to live in a country where it’s possible to jail people for what they say? Where under a different administration, you could then be jailed for what you say?
Unfortunately this fellow seems to have the usual axe to grind. Following from what you wrote, I did not watch the trailer as you’re right, it’s rather masochistic to willingly engage in such ignorance (if I understood you correctly).
But I don’t see this as particularly controversial – historically, various sainted characters have been villified, defamed, insulted. But the test of one’s faith is, importantly, whether it can stand criticism. I think Islam fundamentally can. Scholars, Imams, sheikhs historically have been known to respond to various criticisms in the seminaries – and no one had to get killed (in general). Moreover, the voice of the Qur’an has rebutted, in its own days, the claims made against it and the Prophet – so following on in its example, I would hope that Muslims would do the same.
Now whether (we) Muslims can, is a different question. Of course, and this isn’t legitimising the violence, in a society where the religious culture is more apparent, where religious sentiments are heightened and people hold dear (not in a hagiographic sense always) a truly great and charismatic personality, I can understand how the sentiments spill over.
This isn’t considering who actually committed the acts of barbarism – if they’re from the mujahid persuasion (and I suspect they might be as automatic weapons were apparently used) then of course their logic is rather different and perhaps needs to be contextualised in a more third-world (lack of literacy, poor socio-economic means, different religious culture?), anti-hegemonic, anti-imperial/postcolonial situation – again not justifying it, and ironically enough these groups tend to be funded from the West or its client states. Unfortunately the actions of those in arms will give fodder to those who think such a film is timely.
I can understand the anger – what is curious to me is that the US government and its representatives are still, at least in Libyan eyes (and I could be misreading the situation) conflated with both anti-Islamic sentiments, and perhaps even with either a Jewish/Zionist anti-Arab/anti-Islamic conspiracy – and though I don’t tend to conflate Judaism with Zionism, I can certainly understand why in that part of the world they do.
“[109:5] For you is your faith, and for me, my faith.”
Re “in Libyan eyes,” it seems the majority of Libyans, as well as the Libyan government, are sincere in their denunciation of this murder, not least because they appreciate the role of the US — and in particular of the assassinated ambassador — in helping oust Qaddafi. Paranoid rhetoric about US imperialism in the post-Bush/Cheney era seems to be the much reduced province of militant extremists like Salafis and Qaeda, not the mainstream. As has been noted endlessly in the past 48 hours, Libyan politics are still, in the word of choice of the NYT, “volatile,” but I get the impression that many more citizens of Muslim countries are sick and tired of the way militant fundamentalists distort Islam and manipulate it to serve their own interests.
Fair points. Thank you for responding. I hope that you’re having a blessed and peaceful night.
I should have been more specific – In some Libyans’ eyes – but even that, you are correct, is a rather broad generalisation.
I suspect many are pleased with the ousting of Qaddafi, though I hope Libyans will still remember to view US motives with suspicion. I’m no apologist for political thuggery nor dictators, despots or demagogues, but I don’t believe (but am willing to be shown otherwise) that the removal of Qaddafi was sincere, alas, in the same way that the U.S stood by Mubarak until his position was completely untenable, or becoming an embarrasment for the State Department.
Moreover the US/Western track record on Iraq, Afghanistan, Bahrain, Iran and the Palestinians are rather problematic. As someone from the anti-war movement said, if the major Libyan export was asparagus, would we be so sure that the U.S would have interveined? Rhetoric aside, it did give me pause to consider that question.
“Paranoid rhetoric about US imperialism in the post-Bush/Cheney era seems to be the much reduced province of militant extremists like Salafis and Qaeda, not the mainstream”
Do you mean in terms of how the Libyans/Middle Easterners at large might not be as inclined to agree with the suggestion that the U.S’ interests aren’t imperial? Though I don’t agree with the tactics of al-Qaeda and Salafis, nor do I understand their (rather warped) theology, I do believe sincerely that the U.S (particularly, but not exclusively) is perpetrating a rather sharp imperial agenda (though there could be neomarxist readings into that too, which I might be mistakenly be calling Imperialist).
Moreover, their funding of militants in Syria (and I do pray that the Syrians win democracy for themselves) via client states i.e. Saudi Arabia, Turkey is highly suspect – I don’t think the concern was so great for the Syrians ten years ago; and as I understand it the Assad and Qaddafi governments were participants in the Extraordinary Rendition project.
The irony of course was that Syria got suspended from the Arab League – a collection of western-backed totalitarian regimes – for squashing a democratic revolution (!); or that when the Saudi government became one of the leading voices for democracy in Syria, the Obama administration, and Secretary of State Clinton soon realised how farcial it was to call their movement the Friends of Democratic Syria.
Perhaps I have read too much Chomsky, though!
Mehdi Hasan (I think) said some months ago, that as a proportion of their population, the Bahrainis have suffered far more repression, torture, imprisonment than Syrians (at least at the time) but of course the arms trade resumed with Bahrain – moreover the 5th Fleet happens to be stationed there so we don’t get as much coverage in the news about it. We (and I say this with some guilt as a British citizen) armed Qaddafi, Saddam, al-Khalifa.
“http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/04/cnn-international-documentary-bahrain-arab-spring-repression”
If you haven’t seen the reports yet, alternate new outlets, e.g Press TV, as well as al-Manar and Zee News have been reporting today that ‘surveillance’ drones have been dispached to Libya in the wake of the murders at the US embassy (assassinations? I never know how important one must be in order to be assassinated), as well as ships from one of the Naval fleets – this does worry me indeed and seems to be part of a policy that some might call neocolonial. In the same way that the US is shooting fire from the skies elsewhere over foreign territory (Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen), I fear that this could set a rather terrifying precedent.
I’ve just realised I’ve been writing an argument rather than a response; apologies if my tone was overly-confrontational.
Apologies accepted, but it’s good to have reasoned argument from another point of view. Killing an ambassador does count as an assassination, though. And thus as an international crisis point. So far, Obama seems to be handling it well. I clearly have a lot more faith in his administration than you do. Or maybe I just don’t expect perfection. That is, I never expected him to be the messiah. What I did expect is what he’s been: a sane, intelligent leader doing his best in the face of intense obstructionism here at home. Only ideologues stay ‘pure’ — and ideologues are precisely the problem, both in the US and abroad.
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I seem to be more and more referring to this blog! In response to the events of the last couple of days, Hazleton writes a rather good piece.
Firstly – sorry I vanished! Had a weird week healthwise! Indeed, reasoned debate is something I aspire to. I wonder if it’s much harder to have in the states – the political system seems so be one of extremes – even though in many respects, the centre ground appears much closer to both ‘ends’ of the spectrum in the US in general than it it does here.
Indeed, the ideologues unfotunately have made having any sort of debate with nuance very, very difficult, and at times, a rather tortuous process. I certainly believe that Obama is better than the alternatives, but alas his capacity, even as a self-proclaimed centrist, has been hindered because of (in my perhaps unqualified opinion) operant (I think that’s the word I’m looking for!) power structures and control of both information and resources – I certainly didn’t expect him to be able to change those mechanisms, at least to any degree that would alter the landscape of the discourse dramatically.
But I’ll give it to him – the man is actually quite intelligent. I wish he had better PR though – those speeches he gave which appeared to have mobilised a generation is what he should have worked on more – brought the country over to his side so that at least if Congress didn’t act /cooperate according to the new political landscape, he wouldn’t be seen as culpable or as easy a target for the Romney bid. I don’t know if that would have help curb the now nearly fanatical the Tea-Party movement – and I understand he had a rather damaged economy to deal with too.
In terms of foreign policy, thogh, I’m glad on the one hand that his policies on Iran haven’t been as aggressive as McCain’s or (God-forbid Romney) would be, and that though it hasn’t made much of a difference, his attitude toward the Palestinian statehood-bid has been more positive than we’ve seen for about a decade; on the other hand I’m so gravely disappointed at the policies toward, say, Latin America, Cuba/GTMO, and now the ‘hit list’ scandal which is still being written about in our papers here, at the least. But in terms of domestic policy, of course, living abroad, I can’t gauge the political climate on the ground as well as you can. Though in my opinion, his hand in widening the healthcare availability (though certainly not an ideal system by far) is his saving grace in my eyes.
But unless if his policies are more focussed or he has better success with Congress in the next term, I’m worried that he will have missed some rather large opportunities in terms of creating a more friendly, fair and less imperial image of the US, both at home and abroad. Maybe once he’s in his next term, with the end-point somewhat in sight, he might be able to take greater political risks. As an example, I’m not much of a fan of Clinton but he appears to be remembered quite well in the ‘liberal’ (and I find it rather odd that Clinton’s something of a liberal – or at least in the O’Reilly, Coulter, Malkin, Limbaugh et al paradigm, haha!) press.
Reading this back to myself – I’m realising that my own terms and references to American politics is one of extremes also – my discourse if framed by the reportage of the international press and Democracy Now! – so perhaps I’m my own problem here!
One of the United States’ many problems: not only is socialism a dirty word (as in the Republican campaign against “socialized medicine”) but so too is the word ‘liberal.’ You’re right in that the mainstream political spectrum here is far narrower than that in the UK and most of Europe. For an ex-Brit like me, it can be… frustrating.
Back when, I wrote here that I was going into hermitry for “just a few months, probably,” in order to focus on the final draft of The First Muslim. Hubris strikes again! I now realize it’s been nearly a year.
But I’ve finished the book. All 99,901 words of it. (Actually, a few thousand more if you include the end notes, bibliography, etc, but hey, who’s counting…) And it’ll be published in January, which suddenly seems just round the corner.
“We gotta celebrate!” friends here in Seattle said after I’d pressed the Send button to my publisher. Champagne all round, heels kicked up, nights on the town — all that good stuff. But nights on the town require energy, and I had none left. I was too exhausted. The book was finished, and so, it felt, was I. Instead of celebrating, I did what I’d known I’d do come this moment: I collapsed. The sofa and I became one.
But as days passed with me cradled by that sofa – well-worn dark green leather, thoroughly scratched up by the resident feline – I realized that this wasn’t a painful exhaustion. It was a happy one, the kind you feel after an arduous hike through magnificent landscape. You’ve forded streams and clambered up mountains you never thought you could manage. By the time you get home, everything is aching. You can’t wear shoes because of the blisters. The muscles in your legs are so sore it feels like you’ll never be able to walk properly again. But who cares? You know, at a far deeper level than skin and muscles, that it was absolutely, totally worth it.
That was a few weeks ago, and now my energy’s coming back. I’m up off the sofa, ready to interact with the world again and resume this great improvisation known as life. So here’s a big thank you, fellow accidental theologists, for your understanding, patience, encouragement, and support over this past year. Now that I’m back, on with the conversation!
I get so sick of hearing about Muslims blowing each other up in Irqu Afganistan & Syria, they don’t seem like a people I want to immulate or follow.I feel like they have world dominatation in mind.
Thanks.
Where did this come from? No-one’s asking you to “immulate,” emulate, or follow anyone, Paul. No-one’s asking you to generalize either. Every sane person hates people being blown up, no matter who does it and where they are. If you insist nonetheless that a small but violent minority represents all Muslims, you are hereby invited to go follow Fox News.
as Ibn Khaldoun “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Khaldun” who once said : Intellectual infatuations & other elements that drags societies down, that brings discrimination, division, injustice, the belief in man made illusions, confusions, hate & chaos (الفتن) hiding behind the mask of religion is a very common & big business in the eras of intellectual decline of the communities ”
– Ibn Khaldun
Sooo… they are blowing each other up to dominate the world? That’s a horribly inefficient way of dominating things, I’d say :/
Lesley, I’m so glad you’re through–and that you’ve taken time to put those blistered feet up, that wonderful mind of yours to rest. And that now you’re back! I can’t wait to read The First Muslim–and whatever you’ll blog about next!
Thanks Mary — and yes, am totally with you against the Catholic church’s Inquisition of its nuns. All the more disgusted since it’s being led right here in Seattle, by Archbishop Peter Sartain.
Welcome back Lesley. Muslims believe that the the first Muslim was Adam. Nevertheless, I can hardly wait to read your new book.
Thanks, Sohail. I know that’s a tradition, but the fact remains that Muhammad is told three times in the Quran to call himself the first Muslim, so what’ll I tell you: I went with the source.
Bravo. Looking forward to the read. You are, it must be said, more than a theologist, Lesley; you are an inspiration. Thank you. xo
Heres a big hug and more Lesley,
The anticipation is killing…even before reading, I know it’s going to be a prized Collection for me.
Wish I could be privileged to pick the first copy from the publisher itself.
You are definitely the blessed one to be of those who spread the Truth.
Lots more health and energy for the good work.
Nuzhat.
Thank you Nuzhat, but you way over-estimate me. Really, I’m not into capitalized Truth. Just the multiple human truths of real life.
Oops! The typing error of capital T….it’s your recounting of realities as truths which I meant. They do provide invaluable insights into my unending research on the subject. Thanks anyway…
Nuzhat
Wonderful to see you back in the land of the casual word, Leslie.
Been waiting for you to re-surface…
It’s time to do Cuban, Darling. We’ll have our girl call your girl. We’ll take a meeting.
Congratulations, Lesley! I, too, am looking forward to reading the fruits of your labors. Wish I were local and could take you to tea to celebrate, and get better acquainted. As for nasty comments, I’m still always shocked by the vitriol people feel free to repeat, not based on their own experience, only on distasteful nuggets of misinformation they’ve ingested from those who are more than happy to garner money, votes, power, etc., from demagoguery, that time-dishonored practice that always manages to attract people who ought to have better things to do with their time and money than replicate smears and stereotypes. My piece, “Where the Anti-Muslim Path Leads” is again reprinted, this time, here: http://theinterfaithobserver.org/journal-articles/2012/6/15/where-the-anti-muslim-path-leads.html
Enjoy your well-earned respite.
Why don’t we hear from the from the vast peaceful Muslim majority ?
Herman.
Because you can’t be bothered to listen. Try starting with “Moving the Mountain: Beyond Ground Zero to a New Vision of Islam in America” by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.
I would like to see some public protests from the Muslim community when a church is blown up or a market is attacked by suicide bombers,not dancing in the streets that we saw when the twin towers
went down.
Then you should take the blinders off your eyes and see.
Interesting interpretation, Lesley. I will look up the references but as you know translations are just that. Thanks.
Dear Lesley
Good to be able to read your writing once again. I enjoy reading everything here and am amused at the ‘quick judgement’ on all sides. While I suffer from the paralysis or fear of words to be able to say something, I admire your patience and understanding ( not to mention your tongue- in- cheek sense of humour) in responding to some of those comments. I wish people would suspend all judgement and take delight in reading your gift of an excellent writer as a ‘wordsmith’.
The much anticipated book will most likely not upset the love/hate paradigm of most people. The small minority who is always open to new ideas will most certainly enjoy it purely for the superb quality of your talent, not to mention hard work in presenting a controversial topic in your unique style. You are doing a great job of teaching how to ‘agree to disagree’ in a mature way and all, including many Muslims, would benefit from it. Thanks.
Zoi
Hi Lesley,
Absolutely dying to read your new book. I just love the work you did on the “Shia/Sunni” book. Only an agnostic Jew could have such an incredibly objective insight 🙂 . I’m looking forward to re-learning more about Islam, from your non-dogmatic researched perspective.
Just a question, do you know whether your publisher plans to distribute this digitally (iBooks, Kindle) etc?
I’m personally hoping for a Kindle edition.
Thanks
Thanks Abid! And yes, it will definitely be in digital form also. — L.
Hi Lesley,
just to say I am full of admiration and anticipation to read the book. I am glad you got such a deep rest of fulfillment, and that you are back out on the town.
sending love
rachel
Ms Hazleton, glad to have you back! “After the Prophet” was a great reading—can’t wait to download your newest to my Kindle.
Since you just came out of wrestling with the material, maybe it wouldn’t be too inappropriate to ask you about something: What is your opinion on the emerging claims that Muhammad has never existed at all; or even if he did, he hardly had a solid connection with the Quran and the Islamic tradition as we know them? If it was only questionable polemicists like Robert Spencer and Ibn Warraq, I would dismiss the idea without batting an eye, but there’s also Patricia Crone et al. …
Again, welcome back.
Crone, Holland and company base their critique as I see it on two ideas: First, that Islamic historical sources are intrinisically untrustworthy and that only Byzantine sources can be relied upon. Second, an insistence on written documentation from what was a predominantly oral culture. I find it interesting that they apply these “standards” only to early Islam, and not to early Judaism and Christianity, which are still more deeply steeped in Middle East oral culture, and are far less reliable as history. The task, as I see it, is to distinguish between history — what actually happened — and the mass of reverential legend that accrues over the ensuing centuries. A knowledge of comparative religion and of Middle East culture is essential in order to do this, and that is what I find rather dismayingly lacking in Cronism.
Welcome back Hermet. Eagerly awaiting for the book. Go treat yourself with a foot massage and an ice-cream for all the hard work. And keep the goodies coming.
I teach English to Imams in Cairo. We all listened to your TED talk and they were very impressed, as was I. Sadly your books are not available in Cairo, so Amazon is sending me ” The Sunni-Shi’a” book. I hope to meet you on your next visit over. My Imams would love to meet you. Take care and thank you from all my heart.
How great is the idea of using a TED talk as an aid in teaching English?! Brava. And bravo to the imams for finding such a great teacher. Will be sure to yell if/when I make it again to Cairo. — L
As I’m sure you have heard, we now have a Muslim Brotherhood President, talk about mixing politics and religion! The society is about to undergo another massive rift, I believe comparable to the King Henry viii break from Rome or even the Sunni-Shi’a split. We hope to come out safely.
Fingers and toes crossed for Egypt. Heart and mind too. Keep safe. — L.
Welcome back Ms Hazleton! Was alerted to your return to the blogosphere by your facebook posts. I became a fan after stumbling upon “after the Prophet” on kindle. I’ve since seen your TED video (and ensured that almost everyone I know has seen it too) and am currently reading your book on the life of Mary (which I had to buy from the uk since it’s not available on kindle). It has, amongst other things, given me a new perspective on certain verses in Suratul Maryam. I just want to thank you for your books (because they are like gifts) and to let you know you have fans here in Nigeria. I also want to appreciate your patience in responding to Muslims who are convinced that you’re on the verge of conversion to Islam (*smiley face). It’s just that we’re not used to hearing anything positive about Islam from non-Muslims who aren’t considering it in that way. Looking forward to the next book. Take care and rest well.
Okay, so I know I’d be wiser not to even go here. Discretion being the better part of valor and all that.
But when circumcision becomes a political issue, how can I resist? Not the ghastly ritual of female genital mutilation, mind you, but male circumcision – the snip done within a week of birth.
The foreskin may be California’s newest fixation. A San Francisco group has collected enough signatures to get a measure to ban circumcision within the city limits on the fall ballot. A similar measure may be on the way for Santa Monica next year. And San Diego may not be far behind. If they have their way, everyone gets to vote on the state of everyone else’s penis. (Strictly speaking, of course, make that half of everyone else’s penis.)
My first thought on finding out about this was that it’d be a great opportunity for Jews and Muslims to work together. Not because I have any affinity for the ritual of circumcision, which seems to me to be a primordial holdover with discomforting Freudian undertones — an adaptation of the ancient rite of blood sacrifice. No, the fact is that I simply appreciate the absence of a foreskin. From the point of view of an experienced user, you might say, I can testify that the prevailing medical opinion in the US is correct: a circumcised penis really is more hygienic. And far more esthetic.
The foreskin is another of those oddities of human physiology that‘s way outlasted any function it might once have had, along with the appendix, the hymen, and tonsils. I can understand how it might be a useful thing to have if you’re still swinging naked from tree to tree in the jungle – a bit of natural protection. But since it’s been a couple of million years since our ancestors last swung, as it were (with the exception of Tarzan), I fail to see why anyone should be any more attached to a foreskin than they are to an appendix. Or, come to that, to a hymen.
As it happens, circumcision rates are down in the United States. Since hospital doctors once performed the procedure automatically in the delivery room, irrespective of religious affiliation, most American men over a certain age are circumcised. Now parents are consulted, and only 30-50% say yes. Which is precisely why this anti-circumcision campaign is so weird. Since it’s already a matter of choice – albeit not the infant’s — the question becomes why the foreskinners are protesting a procedure that most directly affects believing Jews and Muslims.
Note, for instance, that they’re using the phrase “male genital mutilation,” thus trying to make male circumcision the equivalent of female genital mutilation, which is widely — and incorrectly — believed to be an Islamic tradition. (In fact it’s North African, and derided in Islam at the very beginning, when Muhammad’s uncle Hamza taunted a pagan opponent by calling him “son of a clitoris-cutter”).
It’s a nasty little tactic, this conflation of male circumcision and female genital mutilation. The former really is just a snip, and from the reaction of newborns I’ve seen undergo it, not much worse than a (pardon me) pinprick. The latter really is mutilation: a savage cutting away of the genitalia, leaving its 12-year-old victim in extraordinary pain and at risk of death from infection. Moreover, where the former tends to increase sexual pleasure, the latter aims specifically to destroy it.
So is there a hidden point here? The activist in the NYT photo below says she’s “just a mom trying to save the little babies” (I guess the big ones be damned). I find it interesting, though, that she uses the word “intact” in her “baby on board” sign — as in virgo intacta, or virgin. Is that what this is really about? The blond and surely blue-eyed mother protecting the purity of all the little American babies? The caption gives her name as Jena. Am I being a paranoid Jew, or does this sound oddly, ah, Germanic…?
I’ve come from an Islamic upbringing and believe the male version is as traumatic as the female.
Your personal preference is respected but if nature intended males to be without foreskin, I wouldn’t have to endure that sadistic ritual before I had a chance to decide for myself.
Haroun — educate me here, if you will: it doesn’t sound as though you were just a few days old. How old were you? where were you? and was this the normal age? Thanks — Lesley
These are the people who will later come infected with STD and learn the cause of it being the foreskin. I ask haroun…should his parents have waited for his decision before giving him the polio vaccine or other doses?
I agree with Haroun that it is traumatic. In Turkey, the typical circumcision age is around 6 to 10 years. I am against the practice because I see it as a permanent religious brand. No one should have the right to leave a religious mark on their children before they reach a certain age.
Hi Lesly,
Since Haroun hasn’t been back to answer your question, I will guess and try to elaborate. Islamic circumcision, as you probably know, can happen between 7/8 days and well into childhood.
To reply to your comments in the original article, I, as a woman, have had a very different experience with my pleasure with intact and cut men. (though hardly enough experience to be considered scientific). My intrinsic pleasure was better with my intact partner (of six years), however husband (islamic and cut as a child) can pleasure me by putting more attention and effort into it. He thinks it’s just fine. I know I would prefer it if he had at least been given the choice as an adult…
As for hygienic, I completely disagree and know that if a man washes, like a woman, there is no question of hygiene. In this particular viewpoint, I think your opinion might be coloured by your background and religion and what norms you were raised with.
Is male circumcision really as bad as female circumcision? I think it can be. There are four major types of female circumcision (ranging from cutting the clitoral hood to the most horrific which you are thinking of: including even sewing up the vagina).
My viewpoint is that people have, for millenia, had all sorts of justifications for mutilating their children and each other. some tribes in Africa put plates in their lips, in China, footbinding was still practised in the 20th century. These and others always had their justifications. What I find interesting about circumcision is that when one reason is disproved, another one pops up to take it’s place.
The latest claim that male circumcision prevents F-M transmission of aids is not only disproved by real-world statistics, but misleading and dangerous. I am dismayed that people are circumcising their children giving the reason that it will prevent them from catching a disease that they will most likely contract only if they are not careful and likely promiscuous. Why not teach your child to put on a condom or be very selective of who they sleep with? And as far as the covenant with God is concerned, shouldn’t children have the right to grow up and decide for themselves what they believe? Certainly, we have to raise them with our traditions, whether it be praying to Mecca five-six times per day to affirm one’s connection with the Divine, or eating unleavened bread during Passover to drive home the story of the Exodus. This is not the same as drawing blood from my child and making him hurt, when I, as his parent, am obliged to protect him from harm. I would not give him ash-scars, tattoos, put a plate in his lip, pierce his ears or make any other mark on his body. When he is old enough to decide what he wants and thinks is important, then he can take steps to do it.
Having seen interviews with men who were circumcised as adults (Russian Jews in Israel) It think it’s safe to say that their experiences contradict your claim that it increases pleasure. How can a man know if he were cut as a baby?
As for your comments on the photo you included: Yes, I know there are some anti-semitics in the anti-circ movement, but please don’t attach such a label to the entire movement.
I think it’s the wrong thing to do, but you are the guardian of your child. I will uphold other parent’s rights to continue to do this barbaric and unnecessary act on their children in order to preserve my right as a parent to do with my children what I think is right… though if parents were removing their children’s earlobes, they might be arrested for child abuse. Funny, as they are completely unnecessary and, as you called it: just a little flap of skin.
By the way, the appendix has a use: to preserve the balance of the flora in the gut. Yet the myth remains that it has no purpose.
Just some food for thought.
I enjoy your blog immensely and will continue ‘tuning in’.
What next, ear piercing?! This is silly. It is personal choice. There are more than enough studies that show that the rates of infections and other maladies are reduced with circumcision.
If you look at it from a strictly, strictly religious point of view – please do not interpret this as thumping or conspiracy theory – it makes sense in terms of covenants and things the devil would want to do to throw mankind off of “the right path.” Making circumcision illegal makes it difficult for Jews, Christians and Muslims to honor the covenant Abraham made with God / Allah / Yahweh. Granted, Christ became the new covenant, but still …
Personal choice? It is not a personal choice when someone else decides to remove part of the genitalia of a baby. A person choice means the person to whom the part is attached decides if he wants it removed.
I was circumcised at birth and I had no choice. If I did have a choice, I would have chosen to keep my whole body intact. Sadly, that choice was taken away from me.
……………. I’m happy to add the perspective of a Jewish Intactivist. There is a growing number of Jews of all denominations who are refusing to circumcision and instead doing alternative rituals that honor our religion without harming children.
Brit Shalom Celebrants by Mark D. Reiss, M.D.
http://www.circumstitions.com/Jewish-shalom.html
Brit B’lee Milah (Covenant Without Cutting) Ceremony
http://www.nocirc.org/religion/Naming_ceremony.php
Jewish Voices: The Current Judaic Movement to End Circumcision: Part 1
http://intactnews.org/node/104/1311886091/jewish-voices-current-judaic-movement-end-circumcision-part-1
The Judaic Movement to End Circumcision: Part 2
http://intactnews.org/node/105/1311886372/jewish-voices-current-judaic-movement-end-circumcision-part-2
Interview with Jewish Intactivist Miriam Pollack
http://www.beyondthebris.com/2011/07/defying-convention-interview-with_27.html
Jews who believe that circumcision should be against the law.
http://intactnews.org/node/103/1311885181/jews-speak-out-favor-banning-circumcision-minors
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Lesley, I must say I’m very disappointed at your article, as I see there lots of prejudices.
First of all, as an uncut male, I can tell you that an uncut penis can be as hygienic as a circumcised one (and so far – 42 years-old), all of my partners have recognized it. It’s a matter of education, and probably also of a change of habits in public policies in our Western countries: one should always wash one’s penis after every… use (and by the way, the same goes for the anus, but nobody seems to care about it…).
As a gay living in France and well travelled, and thus as much (if not more) of an experienced user as you are, I can tell also that I have very often been somewhat repelled by unwelcome smells from circumcised penises (urine, to name it).
As a man with a lot of experience with other men, I am absolutely baffled and scandalized when you dare say “where the former tends to increase sexual pleasure”!!! How on Earth can you allow yourself to make such an unscientific statement as if it were plain truth? My experience tells exactly the opposite! Of the, say, tens of men I’ve had sexual relationships with in my life, I can tell you that the sensitivity of an uncut penis has always stricken me as vastly superior to that of a circumcised one. I wouldn’t dare say it’s a scientific truth, but my sample is wide enough for me to consider it valuable.
Frankly, I don’t like this kind of measures being taken, and campaigns to emphasized the lack of logic behind circumcision in Western countries at least, would be in my opinion much better than legal procedures.
But that you could write such a prejudiced post is really like discovering an intelligent person falling downhill…
this gay is challenging a proven scientific truth with his gay experience. with all due respect mr.bruno hanquier…but u r not persuading anyone with ur personal gay experience. get diagnosed.
It is customary with prejudiced people to state their own opinions as backed by “scientific proofs”. Yet, when you ask them for corresponding sources -I mean, if you know it’s a scientific proof, you must have read it somewhere scientific, no?-, you never hear of them anymore.
It reminds me of that story that goes on and on about a said scientific proof that halal meat would be better for the health than non-halal. No one has ever been capable of giving me a hint towards the corresponding research. Weird, no?
So, Mr Mohammed Siddiqui, I will kindly ask you scientific sources (and by that I mean a scientific publication, one that is considered by scientists as reliable, evaluated by peers, etc., not an obscure provincial newspaper…) for your assertions before I feel persuaded myself. And anyone with a brain will do the same.
Get diagnosed.
Whoa, Mohammed! If Bruno disagrees with me, that’s his right. That he’s gay is neither the issue nor an issue. I talked from my personal experience, he talked from his. Period.
As to “the prevailing medical opinion in the U.S.”–neither the American Academy of Pediatrics nor the AMA recommend the routine circumcision of infant males
Lesley, I’m an independent researcher and have co-authored an article in American Journal of Preventive Medicine on circumcision and HIV prevention. There is no sufficient data to recommend routine circumcision of neonates for any disease prevention, including HIV. Circumcision has more risks than benefits, it is extremely painful for infants (the word that you use “snip” is not accurate to describe circumcision). Circumcision is costly too, and may have devastating side-effects, including bleeding, sepsis and death. We just lost a baby in our community of hemorrhage followed by hospital circumcision. My master’s thesis in medical anthropology was on circumcision. I had looked at the medical history of circumcision and reviewed 1000s of papers. All I have seen is researchers’ cultural and religious bias. Leslie, from your article I can only conclude – lack of knowledge. For those of you, who still think that it is just a snip please watch a video of circumcision. Forget all the studies, they can be biased this way or the other. I may be biased too, against circumcision. We know that science and statistics can be easily manipulated. Watch a procedure and have your own judgment lead you on this subject. There are plenty of videos on youtube. For example this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDuDhkiDdns
or choose another. Please come back and express what you feel.
PS. I gave a 3 hour seminar on circumcision yesterday.
Per this report, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Centers for Disease Control both disagree with you, and advocate leaving it to the parents, not the government, to decide:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joshua-stanton/proposed-circumcision-ban_b_886457.html?ref=tw
@haikProject: You must have not heard of the bell method which is very simple and just like the ‘snip’ Lesley mentions. Your intentions of portraying circumcision as a gruesome procedure may have made its stand, but I felt it misleading.
I just googled it and the first result says Principal method of circumcision is the bell method. This site http://www.circlist.com/instrstechs/plastibell.html says ‘The Plastibell is used in nearly 60% of all routine infant circumcisions in the US…’
Firoz
Lesley, I don’t know who got the CDC to post information conflicting the majority of the research out there, but how could you not respond to her video? Do you continue to claim that it is ‘just a snip’?
This in the New York Times of 9/27/11: circumcision is the equivalent of a 60% effective HIV vaccine for men — http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/health/27circumcision.html?ref=health
Male circumcision is just as ghastly as female circumcision, it’s time both are called by their true name: genital mutilation, and nobody should be allowed to make the decision on whether the procedure should be done except the person it’s being done on, so yes, it should be banned until the person is of age so they can decide themselves if they want to be physically mutilated.
Ms. Hazelton I admire your writings, but here you have touched the sensitive views of the extreme liberal, whose worldview is solely based on perceived harm to individuals. Tradition is an alien concept, Religion obviously a cancer and individual choice (or rather, desire) is supreme.
By these marks, groups assert themselves and remain cohesive. These differences from others provably (I recommend the work of Jonathan Haidt in particular for detail) strengthen sense of community. Adherence, difference and hierarchy are emphasized. That it may be sensible otherwise is not really that important in terms of effect.
That a person could be a part of a tradition, a continuity, is essentially taboo in the modern era. The forced comparison with female genital mutilation should be telling. To any reasonable person, the two are not comparable regardless of what your religious or political affiliations are.
When one blinds themselves to every concern except harm to individuals, they lose touch with reality no matter how much their claims are seemingly grounded in empirical data. One will only look at it from that perspective and justify their reactions accordingly. All other benefit is ignored or conveniently incidental.
When tradition is at the expense of one’s personal, or yes, individual, decision and integrity, one doesn’t have to be an “extreme liberal” to consider a practice should be banished.
Considering your post, I still wonder where your acceptance of tradition can lead you. Where are the limits, and who should decide of this limit? You? The group that follows said traditions? So, if I’m not part of this group, should I let you do what your traditions command you, even if it’s against my own morals? You give the example of female genital mutilation, which a heavily traditional practice in some areas, and following your “logic” I don’t see how and why it could or should be stopped.
As for “groups assert themselves and remain cohesive” you fail to express why this is desirable in the modern world in which -to give myself as a very low-key example- I have friends all over Europe, the Middle East (Lebanon and Israel mainly), Latin America and South East Asia. Another organization of the society has replaced or complemented tradition and religion in all modern countries: it’s called democracy, a system in which each individual has his voice and yet abides to the decisions of others. That men corrupt this idea too often doesn’t hinder its vast superiority over any older systems that may have prevailed in the past.
And yes, for me tradition and religion are just a way some people try to force their limited views of the world on me. It’s not just a limit to my person as an individual but to my free will… “Free will”, interestingly enough a concept that even the three main monotheistic religions consider essential to the individual…
It wasn’t that long ago in the USA when a newly drafted trooper, entering the service, was examined very closely. If there was a foreskin he was taken to the base medical facility to undergo circumcision. I’m talking about men from 18 to their 30s, not babies. There was no individual choice in the matter, it was military orders. No chaplains complained either since they preached that “all authority comes from God.”
That’s the fittest reply expected….
Despite the calumny of depiction, the spirit of its presentation should be into account. Muslims should salute this one….
Awesome!!
How many people cried when these sick Taliban shot and burned 124 young students and teachers in Peshawar last month. I think our tears are also selective.
Some of us did cry for those students and teachers in Peshawar…and for the café manager and customer who were shot in Sydney…and again for the staff assassinated at Hebdo.
Some even cried harder when people stood up and said (in essence), ‘This stops now. We will not be cowed by the Taliban, or ISIS or anyone who would use their faith to destroy innocent lives.’
A strong Light.
Yesterday I found a video from you on the web about Islam.
I searched for other video’s.
I am impressed about your way of thinking.
it’s not your topic that attracted me but the way you see it, the way you aproche it, and how you phrase it.
I believe that all beings are part of the Light.
Th same Light who created the Big Bang, the same Light that created the first atoms in the belly of the stars, the same Light that made life as we know possible on earth.
As Light is our source, we are attracted by it.
As there are stars who radiate more light then other stars,
Some humans radiate more Light then others (as is above so is below)
And vary rarely there were and are and will be people who shine like a star (Mozes, Jesus, Mohamed, Boedha, Gandi, Marten l King,…)
Light can bring love, understanding, awareness,…
Light can ‘open’ eyes.
As written in the Bible, Jesus’ (Light) made a blindman ‘see’.
Ms. Hazleton, you are a strong Light. Keep on radiating.
Thanks to you people can perhabs see better, further, wider, deeper,…
Regards
Levent Guney
Ps. Love your idea of ‘doubt’
I can only say Thank you…
No religion preaches violence. It is the misguided elements who bring a bad name and reputation to their respective religions, due to their misunderstood beliefs!
This comment appears to have been dropped by WordPress — I have no idea why, but it happens, as it does on Facebook — but the writer emailed me about it, so am taking the liberty of printing it here together with my reply:
Dear Lesley,
Did you read the comment in Time magazine saying that the
“Editor-in-chief Gérard Biard, who made their intent clear on a French radio program saying: “It is we who forgive, not Muhammad,” referring to the speculation by some that the cover was a message about the paper being forgiven for publishing an image of the Prophet, an act that many Islamic leaders deem sacrilegious.”
It was quite a misleading cover, and could harbour unwarranted repercussions. Hope sanity prevails on both sides.
My reply:
That’s the thing with art, high or (as in this case) low — the viewer reads into it, and it is (as are words) always open to multiple readings. Perhaps we each choose the reading we want.
And there are so many ways of reading.
I never thought the cover meant that the editors were saying that Muhammad was forgiving them — rather that first, forgiveness was central to Islam, and second, that they forgave. How sincere this was on their part is of course another question. But since I believe it to be true that Muhammad would indeed be in tears at all this, I went with that first meaning.
There are other levels of meaning I can think of. One that occurred to me was that the surviving cartoonists, being a left-wing intellectual crowd despite their affinity for the childishly grotesque, were thinking of the last line of The Myth of Sisyphus (by that French Algerian, Camus) — “Il faut imaginer Sisyphe heureux” — and from there arrived at “Mahomet malheureux.”
Professor Hazleton, I have been visiting your blog on and off, but I just want to thank you. I was a little ashamed when I saw your video ‘on reading the quran’ because you appeared to experience the book in a manner that I (as a muslim) had not done. I also read your biography of the prophet (pbuh) in a single day, because it give me a more meaningful connection with his personality.
I also share your idea of doubt, because I read somewhere (i think in the works of Rumi) that doubt and faith are like two wings that keep the bird in the air and if either one is missing, the bird cannot fly.
Keeping that in mind, Im not sure if youve heard of the man, but you would find great pleasure in reading books my Imam Al-Ghazzali. He was one of the giants of Islam and his influence on christianity is also tremendous. He also chose the ways of skepticism and doubt. Im sure you would find great pleasure in reading the following books:
1) Deliverance from error
2) Niche for lights
Lastly. Keep up the good work 🙂
Thank you. I met a dear friend at a coffee shop the other day. I was carrying a novel by Ali Smith; she was carrying al-Ghazzali. We had a wonderful conversation about the difference between artificial light and natural light.
mrs hazleten ı am a medical student and ı read your books and watch your videos . ı dont know how should ı say but did you heard anythıng about asa-ı musa book from risaleinur collection.ALso in there there is something about agnostizm .ı thınk thıs is valuable to think in a different side.ı know ıt ıs not my business but just a suggestion and ıam thinking for a months about it
Thank you. I’m currently working on the last chapter of an agnostic manifesto, to be published in early 2016.
Hello Prof Hazleton,
I don’t know from where to start. I can’t speak on behalf of the Muslim population here in Pakistan but I’m sure there are quite a number who will agree with me.
As Wahab said, faith and doubt goes hand in hand with each other. And yes, I do have doubts. And by searching for answers, it leads me to faith, closer with every search.
Your book, The First Muslim, opened a sacred door inside me. Before reading this, to be honest, I really didn’t knew Muhammad. Here, in our textbooks and our grandmothers` stories, Muhammad is being pictured as an Angel rather than a human. So we cannot relate to him like we do with another fellow human. We couldn’t feel his pain, neither we could see the essence of his life as a man, prophet and a leader. But thanks to your words, I finally met him, as a human above all. 🙂
I am humbled, privileged, and grateful. Thank you.
Dear Professor Hazleton,
I have only recently come across your work, and have just ordered your two books (The First Muslim and After the Prophet). As a British born Muslim, I initially retreated from Islam in my youth, and engaged with eastern enlightenment teachings and meditation. I’m now circling back to Islam to review my inherited religion and integrate the different paths of understanding and experience that I’ve now accumulated.
I am curious to know whether you have explored/engaged with any thinkers that take an ‘integral’ perspective on religion/spirituality. I’m thinking of the likes of integral philosopher, Ken Wilber and Steve McIntosh? McIntosh recently published a paper, entitled “Fostering Evolution in Islamic Culture.”
I am looking forward to diving into your books.
Best Regards
Aterah
Thanks, Aterah — will check them out. — L.